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2018-01-22 23:45:33 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

how

2018-01-22 23:45:38 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

explain.

2018-01-22 23:46:04 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

yes

2018-01-22 23:46:16 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

but thats because its tied to emotion

2018-01-22 23:46:48 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

seriously, look into something like Buddhism or Objectivism

2018-01-22 23:47:02 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

it will help you to overcome bias

2018-01-22 23:47:42 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thats not what Buddhism is about

2018-01-22 23:47:48 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

lol]

2018-01-22 23:48:01 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

fair enough

2018-01-22 23:48:40 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

I'm not a Buddhist to be clear, but my friend recommended the book of the way to me and I got something out of it

2018-01-22 23:52:52 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

this server seems fairly anarchic tbh

2018-01-22 23:53:16 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

its the room where you do hate speech

2018-01-22 23:53:23 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

so we can all get arrested

2018-01-22 23:53:27 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

lol

2018-01-22 23:54:15 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

yeah

2018-01-22 23:54:24 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thats what I'm referring to

2018-01-22 23:54:34 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

what a disgraceful affair

2018-01-22 23:55:14 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

the crown is doing continual appeals to emotion and filibustering to run him into the ground through court fees

2018-01-22 23:56:22 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

its dangerously close to criminalising comedy

2018-01-22 23:58:54 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

they have banned political positions

2018-01-22 23:58:58 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thats all you need to hear

2018-01-22 23:59:17 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

**literally banning ideas**

2018-01-22 23:59:45 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

theres no charitable way to say that.

2018-01-23 00:00:07 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

first one especially

2018-01-23 00:00:47 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

anyone who says "the constitution is outdated" or "its not fit for the modern age" that person is coming for your rights.

2018-01-23 00:02:08 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

Trump is protecting the constitution, but he isn't really enacting it... nationalists are just as willing to sacrifice rights for the good of the nation.

2018-01-23 00:04:54 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thats London

2018-01-23 00:08:11 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

guys, what you need is the enlightenment.

2018-01-23 00:08:17 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

you need individual rights

2018-01-23 00:08:48 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

you need to understand why individual rights are necessary for life and collective rights means you have no rights.

2018-01-23 00:09:07 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

no they aren't

2018-01-23 00:09:16 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

nationalism doesn't guarantee your rights

2018-01-23 00:10:11 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

the only way to maintain individual rights is to ensure that the population understands why individual rights are important

2018-01-23 00:10:25 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

immigrants tend to do what they are told by the host country

2018-01-23 00:11:11 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

if they are told their culture is important, they will perpetuate it, if they are told individual rights are paramount, they will advocate for individual rights

2018-01-23 00:11:38 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

its got nothing to do with race or ethnicity

2018-01-23 00:12:06 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

we are telling them that their culture is equally important and not telling them why our culture is important

2018-01-23 00:12:20 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

that is why they don't respect it

2018-01-23 00:13:07 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

they would if we show them that our success is due to individual rights

2018-01-23 00:13:40 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

the problem is that our moral justification for rights was traditionally religious

2018-01-23 00:14:10 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thats because we abandoned the conception of rights 100 years ago

2018-01-23 00:15:04 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

America is the result of the enlightenment, the decline of America is the decline of the Enlightenment.

2018-01-23 00:15:20 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

its about philosophy.

2018-01-23 00:15:29 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

phillosophy and ethics

2018-01-23 00:15:36 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

we have lost them

2018-01-23 00:15:43 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

to the subjectivists

2018-01-23 00:16:23 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

what the west needs is a moral justification for individual rights and a moral condemnation of group rights.

2018-01-23 00:16:30 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

a secular one

2018-01-23 00:16:46 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

you're right

2018-01-23 00:17:06 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thats because our intellectual leaders have embraced subjectivism/romanticism

2018-01-23 00:17:22 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

(what we need is Ayn Rand)

2018-01-23 00:18:57 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

the intellectual leaders dictate the structure of education and of philosophy for the wider world and political landscape

2018-01-23 00:20:12 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

look: the Democrats and the Republicans aren't that different. The problem is not with immigration. Unfettered problematic immigration is a symptom of the wider amorality of the society.

2018-01-23 00:20:52 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

150/100 years ago, people were flooding into America illegally: to work.

2018-01-23 00:21:03 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

I'm an objectivist

2018-01-23 00:21:48 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

I don't think its worth supporting either side because they are both coming at things from the Altruist romantacist morality

2018-01-23 00:22:06 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

philosophy preceeds policy

2018-01-23 00:22:25 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

I'm similar to the libertarians

2018-01-23 00:22:40 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

I would completely deregulate the market.

2018-01-23 00:23:24 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

because ultimately, the government is conceptually a destructive force, whilst the market is a creative force, and neither can change their nature.

2018-01-23 00:23:39 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

globalism is a meaningless term

2018-01-23 00:24:16 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thats socialism

2018-01-23 00:25:04 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thats not true

2018-01-23 00:25:19 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

before the sweatshops, there was starvation

2018-01-23 00:26:03 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

the only reason why third world countries are exploited is because **the citizens don't have rights**

2018-01-23 00:27:28 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

no it doesn't "just happen" that capitalist countries are the best! don't you understand that its ideas that dictate the fate of a country? Don't you understand that the success is intrinsically linked to the rights of the individual?

2018-01-23 00:27:53 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

because ultimately, a right is a requirement for **life**

2018-01-23 00:28:16 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

and to deprive someone of their rights is to deprive them of their means to live.

2018-01-23 00:29:05 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

there is no difference between communism and socialism. They both follow the same philosophy.

2018-01-23 00:29:16 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

they are both morally wrong.

2018-01-23 00:29:50 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

no, socialism is just a rebranding of communism done in the 20th century.

2018-01-23 00:30:00 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

seriously, learn some history guys

2018-01-23 00:30:11 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

we've tread these paths before.

2018-01-23 00:30:41 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

go and read "the ominous parallels" by Leonard Peikoff.

2018-01-23 00:31:19 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

Communism was invented in the 18th or 19th century.

2018-01-23 00:32:38 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

Also, I'd like to mention that the majority of Nigerian immigrants typically have a high class degree. They are very productive individuals. Don't blame individual people for the political systems they are trying to escape from.

2018-01-23 00:34:07 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

Communism is morally wrong on principle. It punishes ability and rewards you for being worthless.

2018-01-23 00:35:00 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

there's a really good description of how communism becomes such a monster in Atlas Shrugged.

2018-01-23 00:36:19 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

you are still missing the point. The reason there is a problem with crime is that nobody is making the case that enlightenment values are not only morally sanctionable, but desirable.

2018-01-23 00:37:12 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

therefore, people are turning to other philosophies like nihilism (one of the roots of communism) or mysticisms like Islam.

2018-01-23 00:39:19 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

but 100 years ago, the Middle East studied the west to try and learn the secret to their success, but by that time it was too late. The rot had already set in, and socialism and nationalism were taking over. Thats why the Middle East is filled with Theocratic Fascist and Socialist states like Hamas.

2018-01-23 00:39:53 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

I told you, the reason why they aren't integrating is because we are telling them to hold onto their culture.

2018-01-23 00:40:15 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

in other words **its our fault**

2018-01-23 00:41:01 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

America's problem is America. Britain's problem is Britain. Germany's problem is Germany. How hard is that to see?

2018-01-23 00:41:32 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

yes, its cultural relativism from the intellectual class.

2018-01-23 00:41:55 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

And it won't change until we bring back the enlightenment.

2018-01-23 00:42:42 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

but collective thinking is part of the philosophy of today

2018-01-23 00:42:52 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

its a central part of altruism.

2018-01-23 00:43:23 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

That is the great truth that Ayn Rand understood but everyone refused to accept

2018-01-23 00:43:46 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

its that Altruism **requires** that you put the group above the individual.

2018-01-23 00:44:27 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

**Post-modernism stems from altruism**

2018-01-23 00:44:58 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

Plato ==> Kant ==> Nietzcshe ==> Marx.

2018-01-23 00:45:19 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thats not what objectivism is

2018-01-23 00:45:45 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

you are assuming that people don't have the capacity for reason.

2018-01-23 00:46:43 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

Cynicism is the tragedy of our age. It is what prevents people from accepting that when given rights, people don't just murder and steal from each other.

2018-01-23 00:47:06 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

the market is the ultimate embodiment of objectivism.

2018-01-23 00:47:23 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

its individuals trading value for value.

2018-01-23 00:47:41 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

because they are told to.

2018-01-23 00:48:17 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

thats not the goal of objectivism...

2018-01-23 00:48:44 UTC [Subverse #newsroom]  

its asserting that you have a mind and a right to use it.

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