?

So how does that actually relate to the issue of financial censorship we're talking about?

I mean,w ell done and all.

So I will have to accept carrots in the mail or what?

Or just use cryptocurrency/

As I said at the beginning.

Stripe, as far as I understand, is one of the main actors behind the censorship.

So we're back to square one.

Or you can deal with a decentralised Patreos type thing/

Or use a cryptocurrency.

Potentially a private cryptocurrency as a front end.

So what am I arguing against?

I mean, why not just use a blockchain solution for Patreon?

It appeared you were shitting on my proposal.

Which is that cryptocurrency based alternatives to Patreon are on their way.

And we should support them *above* the monopolies.

I agree,

And the devil is on its way.

That's why we need to ensure the devil is under our control as much as possible.

Sure will.

Has been.

Bitchute was de-platformed already.

How do you make someone agree to accept your own currency for goods? Are you suggesting some kind of barter system?

A decentralised DNS system would be great, at this point.

WIth lots of layers of redundancy.

It's in the hands of like 6 organisations.

Like everythign else.

More would be better.

Sure.

So verifiability is critical, but blockchain (or potentially DAG) solutions have no role to play? How can you verify a datapoint without a persistent publicly verifiable record (which appears to be your bugbear with blockchain - and to be clear, I understand why you feel that way, I just think the tech itself is inevitable)?

So what's the difference? I mean, it's a publicly verifiable record, but that's the problem you appear to have with blockchain...

And they won't be barter.

Thousands canm

's survive.

There will be only a handful which thrive.

Not only.

But it could be used for surveillance.

And it will.

I agree.

That's why it needs to be in the hands of the public.

As much as possible.

They will.

But few will survive.

And those that do will survive because people used them.

As I am proposing you do with the likely emergent solutions I know of.

If you know of other solutions to financial censorship, please let me know.

They certainly will.

Ok. What is it?

Who has a local bank?

I mean one that only exists locally?

Where?

Not where I have lived.

Maybe in the US, a legacy of your history of decentralised currencies.

Not anywhere I have lived.

There are local branches which represent a handful of national and international banks.

Honestly, I don't see it as a) censorship resistant or b) practical, or even possible, in the jurisdictions I have lived in (4 countries in total).

I understand your reticence about blockchains.

But a) there are blockchains which are properly private and circumvent censhorship

and b) it's happening whether you like it or not.

I'

m not sure you are aware of the power that the state has - without court approval - over banks in some countries.

Read back over the last hour of conversation...

I know that you have small local banks in the US. I won't give away where I have lived, but I assure you they simply don't exist in *most* countries. And they are subject to state intervention without court approval.

Possibly even in the US after the patriot act.

In the US.

Not elsewhere.

How will Sargon sign a contract with a US bank?

You think this is more practical than simply using a private cryptocurrency?

I know lots of people who are contrarian love to shit on crypto, but there are solutions which are much better than the one you are proposing.

There isn't one.

Otherwise they would be exploiting it.

What are they doing?

And how will the US stand alone?

It sounds like you're preparing for something far more radical than I'm talking about.

There are intermediary steps.

It is an alternative to banks.

Yes, today.

Silk Rd.

One guy.

Onion router.

Will the dudes who designed Monero or whatever by locked up?

Do you think?

Gotta go.

Visitor.

I'll be awaiting paradigm's solution with baited breath.

Meanwhile, there are a number of crypto solutions which are just around the corner. Some of which do not use blockchains at all.

Do you have a whitepaper?

Sure.

I was thinking about it, btw. Blockchain is perfect for social media.

Which is a public facing anyway.

Why not totally transparent?

Rather than monopolised by a siongle set of actors.

Banks don't deal with lots of people, including (especially) crypto startups.

But they've managed to work around that.

As has the porn industry.

Far out there like, possibly, Sargon?

What you don't understand is that Sargon has not been attacked because he's far out there. He has been attacked because he's not.

Financially.

Sargon is not based in the US.

Neither are most of us.