These are the same people who started the 9-11 conspiracies.

Yeah, I seen that when I clicked the link. We haven't looked to see if it was perhaps an American strike on Saudi Arabia to justify an increase arms sales, while simultaneously justifying an increased level of sanctions against Iran.

I spent entirely too much time over there. I know exactly how their minds work.

Well...time to shower and go spend some of that GI Bill.

Thank you America.

No, the post 9-11 one.

Have a great day you fucking Mad Lads

Shower time entertainment. Pertinent to our discussion:
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I tend to disagree. We should get involved. Don't get me wrong, but we should stir up that hornet's nest, and hope to god they start a 15-20 year brutal war. Meanwhile, back in the US and Russia, oil exports go through the roofs, unemployment drops to <1%, Labor Participation Rate increases to 75%, and we all laugh it to the back.

All the while, Russia and us sit on the sidelines playing diplomacy, and feeding both sides weapons. We incessantly try to get China involved, and let them know what it's like to be on the world stage.

When both sides settle down, and half their populations are no longer radical, then we can sit down and talk with the two sides like actual human fucking beings.

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@Railingo But the entertainment factor...

We were born with a target on our backs. Seriously, we did nothing to provoke them at Tripoli except exist as non-muslims. That is never going to change.

Face it, these two sides have been fighting since ~600 AD. Nothing we do on either side is going to change this except letting them realize their own extinction.

You're right, it's about Persians and Arabs. Always has been

The use of Islam has been the guise to perpetuate it

That's why sitting on the sidelines is perfect. Stir up that hornets nest and let them have the fuck at it.

I don't care if they do close the straight of hormuz. doesn't affect a damn thing about the US and Russia except increase our oil output and put people to work in a constructive manner.

Yeah, and increases wages too

Not with the unemployment rate it is at right now. We have about as much to lose and Britain going through Brexit. It's just a change in reality.

Trust me the economy will survive and absorb it.

And the worker will benefit

I hear doom and gloom all th time. I don't buy it.

That is the fear of the media talking

I am, the economy changes,

It becomes less international, and more of an american economy.

That depends, what was the impact of going to an international economy? Prices decreased overall, so did wages.

If we are going to talk America first, then by God, make it American Oil and we will still survive all of the price increases.

False Dichotomy There are more than two choices.

No, the economy absorbs it the way economies do.

Again, not a binary thing.

They NEVER are.

Economies expand and contract, and they broaden and narrow. These things are multidimensional.

A AND B

See, in binary, you can AND, and you can OR, and you can XOR.

This is not an OR, this is an AND

The benefit the consumer by raising the wages of those who produce product B

Assuming product A is oil

Yes it will.

We will open more markets by exporting more than importing.

AND we will decrease our electricity costs as it will become cheaper to produce via the natural gas we will need to process. This in turn will make our labor cheaper, and increase production in the US>

It hasn't happened because we can't get the price of oil to a sustainable price that the oil companies can afford to produce at home. That happens around $80/bbl

It nearly happened while Obama was president, but he stood in the way of allowing the oil companies freedom to run.

If America becomes a dominant oil exporter, we win. That's why SA flooded the market a few years back.

$80/bbl

It's easily attainable.

Sustainable has yet to be seen.

We were beginning to export under Obama,

If SA cannot close our production due to the strait being closed, then we can sustain it for a while. I don't care if that war happens. We win...

Of course we are, it's too cheap not to

We're not a dominant exporter.

The Saudis have effectively shut us out because they don't really need to drill for oil. at $80/bbl, we can outproduce SA and Russia like we did in 2016

Sorry, 2013.

That's why they recently went into debt.

They draw their budgets based on oil being over $100/bbl. When that happened, we out produced them.

It was against the US and Russia while you're joking.

Look up top producers of oil over the last 20 years. Notice that after the US become the #1 producer that SA flooded the market.

Exactly @Jym.. We will survive the whole thing because our economy absorbs these bumps, and when we can make more profit at things, then we expand technologies making them even more efficient. I don't buy the fear of a price increase, because it will transform the economy, and those price spikes, and eventual moderate growth of inflation is what a strong economy exhibit. Part of the problem we have had over the last 30 years is the drive to internationalism has driven prices down, damn the worker.

That by definition is deflationary, and is what drives economies into depression.

I'm not so sure we shouldn't, except that is how OBL was so damn effective at recruitment for his Jihadi movement.

I wouldn

I wouldn't advocate for us to militarily get involved over there any more. THAT doesn't make any sense.

It really does. Oil was one of the first international markets.

ok, in the current, post-colonial economies.

Ask Britain and France.

And it cost both dearly in military upkeep.

Why do you suppose FDR's main foreign policy was to dismantle Britain's colonial structure?

It goes much deeper than Islam. Again, this is the two empires of Persia and Arabia who will never stop their fight until one is dead.

The media tries their best to sell this as sectarian violence, but it really has nothing to do with Islam.

The only thing they hate more than each other is Israel.

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The sand-people will return, and in greater numbers.

That's why I'm not averse to them going at it full throttle.

The binary digits in my machine just revolted.