This isn't about muslims, this is about cutting our numerous losses short and reinvesting in the nation

You're right, it's about Persians and Arabs. Always has been

No, fuck off, this is about America. As in America fucking first.

The use of Islam has been the guise to perpetuate it

That's the point. You know what you have to do to get the Arabs and Persians killing each other again? Not a goddamn thing. It takes a carrier battle group to keep the straights open you can close them with some C4 and a rowboat.

That's why sitting on the sidelines is perfect. Stir up that hornets nest and let them have the fuck at it.

okay you see that, the thing where you're talking about doing shit over there? thats the problem. knock it off.

I don't care if they do close the straight of hormuz. doesn't affect a damn thing about the US and Russia except increase our oil output and put people to work in a constructive manner.

It's not even stirring up anything. Leave them alone and they'll do it themselves.

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We take our big stick, and softly walk the fuck away

@allgoodguy Increases the cost of oil for everyone..

Making goods based off of oil more expensive for everyone

Including US customers.

Yeah, and increases wages too

Increase wages for very few

And increase costs for everyone

So you have needless cost increases with little benefit for everyone

I'd argue overall it hurts more people than it helps.

Meaning, it's bad.

Not with the unemployment rate it is at right now. We have about as much to lose and Britain going through Brexit. It's just a change in reality.

any increase in wages is only meaningful if its taken in context with the current living costs and inflation

Trust me the economy will survive and absorb it.

Sure, but the consumer will be hurt.

Which is bad for everyone.

And the worker will benefit

Very FEW workers will benefit.

Not many.

No it does not make goods more expensive in US. It makes them cheaper. We have all the best refining and thanks to shale huge reserves we have not tapped.

I hear doom and gloom all th time. I don't buy it.

That is the fear of the media talking

Do you think goods being more expensive helps the consumer?

Think logically here.

We can break it down.

I am, the economy changes,

What's the impact on the consumer if goods are more expensive?

And I hear demogoguery of how "its still totally worth it to stay in, guys, for realsies this time"

Positive, or negative?

There is a price ceiling on petrochemicals in N. America basically. If the full cycle breakdown goes a bit over 40 we start making more.

It becomes less international, and more of an american economy.

What's the impact on the consumer if goods are more expensive?