Hello everyone! It was nice to be a part of the Pangburn Open Mic podcast last night. I hopped into chat for a bit, then decided to hop on StreamYard once the god discussion came about. It was my first time streaming online, but I think it was a very stimulating experience. I enjoyed it

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WSOP.

> Even as an atheist I couldn't accept evolution for certain. Though I don't discount it as a possibility just guided by something currently unknown
@Deleted User you're joking, right?

It is one of the most understood process offered by life as we know it.

processes*

How you can say evolution is "currently unknown" is nothing but ignorant.

I'd venture to say you are correct in that assumption. However, I do know a few believers who still believe in Evolution.

Please do.

I am not "going crazy". If you don't know the facts, you should be encouraged to do so.

Well, re-consider what you "think" people are doing, and re-evaluate with a clear mind.

Not my problem.

Does it matter if I am theist or not?

Well, I'm not.

Get your facts straight before you do anything but ridicule me. Seems to be a common theme with Theists these days.

I agree Passerby. I agree.

@Deleted User https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o92x6AvxCFg

Well, then, I guess you know more. The fossils are there in the museums.

It is not as much the Hippo is related to the whale, but rather, they share a common ancestry.

You should re-watch. And take a look at the diagram for yourself.

There is a common ancestry between Hippos and Whales, if that does not explain the position, I don't know what will.

And no , not "everybody knows"

You are , in fact, arguing against evolution. I've showed you the evidence, and you are still not convinced.

Not sure what more you want.

Ok. Let's discuss the meaning of that acute ancestral tree.

Artiodactyl. Has evolved into Pakicetus. As we can see.

If you look at the graph with a mindful eye. You can see this.

Pakicetus evolves with hind-legs withdrawn as Rodhocetus.

That is EXACTLY what it is, Passerby.

That IS evolution.

However, I can see your questioning with the Hippopotamus.

There is a lineage, in which has diverged (evolution), to keep the same common ancestor (Artiodactyl) as it was.

Hence, the Hippopotamus.

OK. First off, why does a "Creator" need to be involved. And Secondly, why are you begging the question?

Please, prove to me this Creator you speak of? Then maybe I will be convinced.

It goes along the argument of, well there is a CLOCK so there must be ClockMAKER? Would you agree?

Yes, we are still evolving and I will get to that shortly.

Ok, very well. Here I have a clock. A human has made this clock. I can go to the clockmaker and ASK him, "Did you make this clock?" He will say, "Why, yes, of course!".

Now, I have presented you with the fossils, the lineage, of Evolution. And you have demanded that there is a Creator involved, correct?

Please, go to your Creator, and ask him, "Did you create these things?" And relay that message to me, tonight.

Ok, "EVEN IF", is a Hypothetical. I don't care about "EVEN IF". I want PROOF . And as far as I can tell, you are unable to provide that to me.

You are Straw_Manning at this point. You have no evidence for your claim that a Creator has any say-so within Evolution.

I gave you the evidence. You reject it without a counter-claim.

You are not convinced Evolution has anything to do with a Creator, is that correct?

Or do you believe, a Creator has put it's hand in all of this?

That is what you are claiming, you do not even realize it.

Which is, honestly, quite immoral.

@JCEN No I stated that adaptative genes would make sense EVEN IF a creator was involved

I can tell, and I agree, Passerby. They voicers' just want to yell.

T2 you are welcome to stay here. Otherwise, if all you have to do is disregard anything that is said. Please, see your way out.

Sure.

You have said that adaptive genes would make sense EVEN IF a creator was involved, correct?

But not what I said? Excuse me?

We are now "beating around the bush" , and I have no tolerance for this.

@Deleted User Why do you need a Creator to believe in Evolution? This is the fundamental question. If I have shown you the evidence (or rather, Dr. Dawkins), and you still question its truth. Yet, you say adaptive genes would make sense EVEN IF . What is this EVEN IF? You still have not answered.

Because "EVEN IF", is an Argument from Ignornace Fallacy. And until you can prove the EVEN IF, you will remain such.

What is the foundation?

No, sir.

How do you define Deism?

Ok, so. Now we have gone from a Creator, do an "Indifferent Creator". What's the difference?

And why should I believe you.

Then why should I care about an "indifferent Creator"...

Who is watching me?

There is nobody watching me right now.

So this "indifferent Creator", which you cannot explain. Has just said, OK HERE YOU GO, HAVE FUN. And that's it?

Ok, still. (And it has not been answered) How can you prove this "Creator", or this, "Indifferent Creator", who is watching me..

You can say it all day long, that Doesn't make it True.

I've shown a piece of the evidence, as far as Evolution is considered. Now, this Creator, can you prove this Creator?

I am following it very well, in fact.

Then why do you think you are right?

"BeCAUSE" people believe something, doesn't make it true.

Germans believed the Nazis were a lesser human. Does that make Germans moral?

That's Argument from Ignorance, sir, and until you can attest otherwise. I have no more interest in this conversation.

Germans > The Jews, my mistake.

I'm done with you.

I'm DONE WITH YOU. Goodbye.

I wouldn't doubt that it happend....

Child molesters are often killed in prison, no?

...With a Cane? HAHA, yeah.. I see your point.

I'm not sure a lot of prison inmates are equipped with a cane.

Any "home-made device" designated as a cane must be a fault on the prison itself. As no inmate should have such utility to actually equip themselves as such.

@Delta Self-Defense is the issue.

Yes, free him so he will be allowed to kill more people with canes. Makes perfect sense!

He might even start a business selling canes so he can recruit others to do the same!

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-chuckles-funny-gif-5104045

There is so much more I'd like to dissect within that exposition. Perhaps we can get an audio/video session on Creationism vs. Evolution.

There seems to be a disconnect between the two, as well understood.

> Yeah adaptative genes would make sense even if a creater was involved. Show me a tree with legs or bird with flower petals
@Deleted User @ThePangburn More specifically, in response to "show me a tree with legs".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjxZ6MrBl9E

If fact does not prove anything to you, I'm quite sure nothing else will. Evolutionary processes work more intricately than a person carving a block of wood. Again, go back to my clockmaker analogy.

Best of luck to you @passerby

Those are so awesome

Ironically, his name is Truth.

Where will they be posted?

Oh, goodie! Thanks M

Nice! I'm watching Dr. Dawkins clips 😎

That's the first one I came across earlier this evening! What a duo they are 😄

I never knew they had met

Have you seen the clip of his hosting the Oscars, I think it was?

It was brutal