lmfao

this doesnt even matter

being english or whatever doesnt matter

what does matter tho

ok so how many do you think died in the holodomor

we got like 4.5 to 6 million

its estimates vary

but its in the millions

link doesnt work for me

we havent even got onto Mao yet

the great chinese famine is much better recorded

we have UN population figures

the Great Leap forward even stopped world population growth

lemme find it

in mao's famine?

also they had grain fines and confiscation

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL?locations=CN

anyway we got one here from the world bank

now he is gonna say this is unreliable so there are others

this doesnt show the full famine btw

collective agriculture certainly didnt lead to lower deaths in china

they subsidised areas that would've been loyal to them

famine didnt hit the cities

in the ussr too

they took the food to the cities,

lets not say that the cities produced more or whatever

lemme find it

anyway we got it documented

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

anyway reliable history source you can see they rationed food for urban areas

well the source you just gave me

even admits that it was carried out in derror

terror*

it says that the cause of famine was due to kulak persecution and bad leadership

well, tell me where the analysis is

what am i supposed to get out of it that isnt to do with it being due to failed soviet policy

soviet policy failed, it isnt good to try and defend it, you even said yourself they didnt have true socialism or whatever

ok so now we're getting into ad . hominems, come on point out what i missed

if its so obvious you can point it out

i honestly want to see what i missed there and how the holodomor isnt to blame on failed policy

i will show some quotes from that and see what you think

can you show a quote from there,

ok lets see what it has to say

seizing of grain

nah

there's more

i've only had this for a few . minutes im reading through it

weather wasnt bad throughout the whole period

russia has had droughts

if the new technology was such an issue, they didnt have famines before the period

im not saying life was good back then, but

they forced collectivisation and industrialisation which led to this management crisis

they attempted to massively boost production

6 million people later

did you say you wanted tribalism or something

what is your ideology

anyway i have to go anyway, cya all

lets be real a lot of socialists use that argument too

i believe true capitalism has been tried

well what we have now is arguibly more capitalist than a few decades ago

due to the 1980s and neoliberalism

i dont necessarily support neoliberalism anyway

the thing with neoliberalism is that they take it too far

i believe we can have capitalism but we dont need to ignore anything and everything a government can do to help

government can actually help capitalism

in a free market there are distortions that need to be addressed, and they are distortions of perfect competition so technically its not a good representation of the free market and has to be fixed

one thing with capitalism is lobbying, we need to keep money out of politics

otherwise we end up with prison-industrial and military-industrial complex

already there are large corporations receiving subsidies and effective corporate welfare from the government

for the same reason i oppose most forms of welfare i oppose corporate welfare too

its a waste of human potential

they shouldn't imprison people for minor drug charges,

if they legalised drugs there would be less reason for gangs etc

i actually condemn drugs, in the same way i condemn cigarettes but banning it isnt a good solution

one thing we have had in our inner cities, is a lot of flight

nearly every inner city area has shrinked in size as people and industry moving away

this was because of outsourcing of jobs etc, the gangs started to pop up because of this

they should've prevented companies going overseas and bringing jobs back is a good plan for now

American workers will be sold out to Chinese workers

the American Dream was stolen by globalists

a lot of people blame millenials, but we gotta remember it was the boomers who raised the millenials

eh i think it was mostly the boomers fault

i think the boomers did a bad job with the millenials

yeh the way you are raised does change ur mentality too

white privilege is a myth

privilege only comes with wealth, and even then

then again, i dont hear many people calling out jewish privilege

its funny how that works

jews are white when it comes to white privilege, but suddenly go back to being jewish when its convenient

?

i aint no jew

arguibly jews and asians have more privilege than white people if we look at success in college and incomes later

they apply this white privilege argument to even lower class whites

all this bullshit about colonialism and past oppression, imagine if they are irish americans

i thought u were talking about the non-aligned movement

lol

nationalist anarchism?