Yes the holodomor happened

it killed millions due to the forced collectivisation

This isn’t even in the USSR

A unfree economy always provides a much worse life

we havent even got onto Mao yet

oh yeah

They bring up the “life expcentcy went up “ argument

the great chinese famine is much better recorded

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ get the fuck out

Yet the stats are from Mao itself

so it’s unreliable

we have UN population figures

Wait what does it show

the Great Leap forward even stopped world population growth

And where did the U.N. get it from

lemme find it

Cause if they got it from the state it’s unreliable

But if it shows a decline it’s probably true

My source clearly shows that the famine was in lower numbers of areas where collective farming was practiced

in mao's famine?

also they had grain fines and confiscation

Where is this source

The one by Harvard that I posted earlier in Holodomor

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL?locations=CN

anyway we got one here from the world bank

now he is gonna say this is unreliable so there are others

this doesnt show the full famine btw

A spacial map of the ukranian famine of 1932-33 by harvard. There's a lot of information and generally it helps debunk a lot of myths about the holodomor. the map shows, among other things, that there is no correlation between ethnicity and famine (some of the hardest hit areas had the largest Russian minority), raw procurement per capita was lower in areas with famine (although plan fulfillment was higher because the plan targets were lowered), and more collectivization was linked to lower famine rates

http://gis.huri.harvard.edu/historical-atlas/the-great-famine/famine-web-map.html
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Yes just because it’s not in the same are of the collectivised farms doesn’t mean it’s not because of the collectivisation.

Crops can from other places and get distributed weirdly

Inefficient allocation of resources

That's not an argument

Which the USSR was keen on doing

Yes it is

Collective agriculture is linked to lower rates of famine

Correlation is not causation

Keep in mind that Ukraine was not even entirely collectivized

this can easily be due to the statement I said above

collective agriculture certainly didnt lead to lower deaths in china

yeah they didint have anything to farm. so they didint have famines.😏