Hi!

Pretty good

You?

recently found about this place through r/mensrights, found the website nice

I'm new to this community, recently found it

that too, yeds

to put it simply, i'm a teenager. i was a full-on communist before. used to agree with feminists and such. also used to browse r/inceltears sometimes. Found out about this sub called r/MGTOW. lurked a bit through and it kind of opened a new window to me. I found statistics that I couldn't before imagine, and heard other mens' stories where they had their lives unfairly ruined through things like false accusations. This definetly changed my viewpoint on the situation. Found r/mensrights, and after a few days lurking that I found this place.

I will admit that I am also scared for myself as these are all things that could happen to me, my friends, or anyone

I didn't realise how much men were actually discriminated until this week, and it definetly changed my beliefs.

Hey!

well said

i think a lot of people, especially teenagers, will eventually find out about men's rights through things like this

from my experience, some of these were things I thought of but told myself were fake cause the feminists said it can't be right

the way i see it, a big thing that keeps people from these ideas is the negativity surrounding it

everyone remotely related to men's rights is automatically named an "incel"

Thank you for the welcome

yeah seriously, they managed to demonize the word "incel" completely

today in a thread i've seen someone be called an incel because they said that equality of opportunity is what we should go for and feminism doesn't want that

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/af7cq2/oxford_ends_womenonly_fellowship_after_university/

The comments in that thread give me a bit of hope

@blueorange22 now they just say "haha found the incel" whenever they've been proven wrong

never seen it anywhere, so i guess not

may i have a link of the one you're talking about?

lol post that on reddit and they will downvote it, claiming it to be bigoted, sexist and made by a nazi

how do you access archived versions again?

why did they remove this lol

this is all factually correct

one second.

a lot of comments on r/science have unsourced comments, don't they?

i've never seen those get removed

is there any chance that a media outlet will actually make a story on this?

god, a friend of mine is arguing that the wage gap is a thing

now he's saying that because women take maternity leave when they have kids, that makes it unfair as they somehow dont get the same opportunity as men to advance in careers

now he says i talk like a trump supporter

lol

omfg

now he's arguing that BOTH the wife AND husband get MANDATORY leave at children

we talked about it but he gave me some random bullshit about "capitalism's fault"

yup.

glad didnt get indoctrinated into communism

he simply said that "Both parents should be paid WAY MORE to sit on their asses all day taking care of their kids."
I asked "And where should the government get this money from?"
Him: Revolution!!!

look, i still favour marxist theory, as it is based on the principle of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

basically meritocracy

modern communists are just edgy liberals

well the basis would be that the ones who work harder have better life conditions than the ones who don't

oh god i'll tell him that and he'll just call me an incel

by the way, what's your takes on this?

computer jobs are currently very sought for. but, in around 3-4 years, most kids (who already are aiming for said job) will take that job, and thus lower the demand for it, thus lowering pay significantly.

Is it a sound job and I'm being paranoid or is it a possibility?

i'm talking about general jobs like technicians and programmers. things that currently exist now and are in very high demand

A very interesting take on that. Thank you

So you're saying that, technically, computer jobs like programming, etc. will always be in high demand due to technological advances

my original career plan was going to law school then becoming a lawyer

that job makes solid cash

lol. with a human-like robot, capable of intelligence, wouldn't we have the level of automation to the point that humans are very loosely needed?

probably will in the next few years

the more feminism makes its take on society and legislature, the more men will realize the harm done by it.

i'm sure many mainstream youtubers would be sympathetic of the MRM if it had more attention

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-wBAxgUX9P0fXZ6-D0frRA/videos

this guy is good. he constantly shits on feminism and is funny overall

im sure theres gonna be a movie about our discord server

wasn't it Bill Burr who got fined 80k because he made an offensive joke?

nevermind, it was Mike Ward

nevertheless. in canada, you can actually get fined for making a joke

or for "misgendering" people

imagine if that catches on instead

thats fucking ridiculous

what did they even charge him for

https://www.reddit.com/r/offmychest/comments/af8obi/i_was_sexually_assaulted_but_i_went_to_prison_for/

well, let's see the positive side. men no longer have to pay more

comments on it are great though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=koPmuEyP3a0

have you seen this? just. lol.

even the jesus dude?

what the fuck

"In regards to marches against sexual assault, it seems to be the case that the marches are actually against due process and the presumption of innocence"

This. You've seen that post on r/mensrights?

scary that "innocent until proven guilty" is now a controversial view to take

While I can definetly see how a victim may feel hopeless when people don't believe them, I think it is nevertheless important to mantain the value of "innocent until proven guilty". If our government can punish us without evidence of wrongdoing, what stops them from doing this everywhere else?

Not to mention how, on the opposite side of the story, where someone has been falsely accused, having your life ruined and being put in jail by a liar is a very traumatizing experience.

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check out my english teacher

"Today we'll be discussing the topic of human rights (in a language learning class). I'll try to stay away from politics as it's not the topic for this class."

First picture, sized as one of the biggest: Modern feminist march in the streets

i dont think there's a dude in my class who didn't

they're all my friends & i spoke with all of them

@blueorange22 an MRM club wouldn't really start off and would probably get a lot of hate as it is

my approach to teaching people about these issues is discussing them separately and getting people to separately agree with what i'm saying. then, after they're familiar with the topic, get them familiarised with the MRM itself.

Some friends are receptive with this, but it's nevertheless hard to get the common idea of "women are oppressed by society" out of their heads

i have a friend who i could probably introduce to this movement though. anti-feminist in general

a useful approach is just to joke about feminism, then delve in how they're wrong and how men actually have problems, and then go on from there

and keep in mind that some things will seem outrageous to people who aren't familiar with the topic itself. start gradually, introducing easily provable facts and statistics and then delving deeper into other concepts later. Starting with topics that go against your average social values will make you look like a conspiracy theorist and will put them off

and be careful when showing statistics like these. feminists will absolutely change the subject to men being more violent than women, and then present it as proof for "toxic masculinity"

@Men Are Human what exactly would you write about?

i can give my own opinion on the topic, though as explained above, I haven't introduced any of them to the MRM, only gradually introduced them to certain issues that men face. asking them to give quotes for an article they don't know much about might be off-putting to them.

To summarize, my english teacher is a lesbian feminist who's very engaged in both the LGBT community and the feminist community. While I have absolutely no problem with the first, the latter can get on some nerves as she definetly pressures it.

We were in English class (not an english speaking country, supposed to be language learning), before starting, she specifically said that she will try to keep this away from politics to the best of her ability. We had the new topic of "human rights". We were given sheets of paper of different human rights articles, and we had to read them, so on. Later, she turns on the projector and a few images are on screen. The largest sized one was a (fairly recent) picture of feminists marching in the streets

The second most prominent one was a Black Lives Matter protest. (very political, no need to say)

Also very largely sized, was a picture of the feminist logo (♀️ with a = in the middle)

Me and a friend of mine complained about how she was promoting feminism. He went on a very short discussion which ended up to the pay gap. The teacher said that she can discuss that later, when she can show some statistics. She then proceeded with the class as normal. The discussion itself never continued during or after the lesson.