ah very nice

yeah I know, thats how I felt too when i was newly researxching this topic

heres the stuff id ask myself:
how come the sun doesnt shine the entire disc at once?
eclipses??
star trails looking different on the south area etc

yeah the solstice one can be represented visually on a flat model, cant put it into words

hold on its hard to find, imtriyng to find a good one

ok so ignoring the text. oh nvm

it was a .gif that screwed up

but the circles around the middle are lines where the sun would move to during seasons thus causing season changes

man this is the limit of the eye's distance. when viewed from a higher altitude, you see the turbine in entirety, and ofc, you see 0 curvature at any height

there we go!!! we cant see the quarter across the table, is the TABLE ROUND???????

it MUST BE THE CURVATURE of the TABLE

yup

why would it be upside down?

I mean to me the sun seems to be a ball, and a ball has no up or down or side, or upside down

however, I can't make any certainty as to what I think the sun actually is

I dont understand your question

I can see the sun... yeah because it's bright... is that due to it's distance... you mean the sun disappearing? yeah that would be the distance... so small its not visible? yeah you mean it disappears because its small and moves away? I guess so if I got your question ribght

ok so the magnification is due to the lens of our atmosphere:

the lower layers of our atmo are filled with water, and water acts as a magnifying lens

man there's a really good video example of this to answer your question I just wish i could find it

lol with ALTITUDE you are PAST that layer of magnificiation due to the layers in the atmosphere

so what is your super precise, uber specific question, that our previous 10 comments have not answered??

hey maleman why do you keep bringing up your basketball? 100,000ft altitude pics are incomparable to stupid things like a basketball

THIS is the picture to answee your question!!

look at it closely

it is about the sun disappearing over the horizon like you repeatedly asked

they are using WATER and put a pic of a sun behind it, moving over a flat surface, and as it moves closer, the magnification makes it look like our sunrise

maybe look at it a few more times, it might take a while to click in your head

thank you 🙂

no idea, seems to me its just imaginary land used as an example

vacuum cannot exist next to earths atmosphere without a barrier

it is physically impossible

VACUUM and AIR cannot exist anywhere NEAR each other, unless there's a barrier

alright you convinced me

remember the word vacuum

oh I thought we were on about why the globe cannot exist

I agree with your pressure statements tho

look guys we can perhaps debate on a more simple level on global science

my favorite topic to go deep into is vacuum but it is very complicated

you ever seen train cars implode from air being sucked out of em?

metallica have you seen train cars imploding?

ok great if we havent even gotten to step 1

we cannot properly debate about the earth

not even the moon landing

alright Im just pushing your buttons, im a hungry dude rn

here lemme post a link what I mean its a 15sec video

im not brining in any physical laws

just gonna go deep into number with pressure differential

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM

alright I'm not gonna go into my whole vacuum schpiel

except basically the strongest vacuum here on EARTH is 10^-6 torr, the chambver requires 10ft of concrete walls to prevent implosion

outer space is 10^-17 torr... thats over 1,000,000x stronger

spacecraft walls are less than 1/2in thick aluminum alloys

not to mention earths upper atmosphere is ~2000C, which is WAY HIGHER than the melting point of aluminum]

yes but the multiplier is the key here

this is exponential stuff just like pH numbers

but more strongly

alright I know you guys won't listen to the vacuum argument thats why i wanted to avoid it

ofc temperature doesnt mean anything either ;)))) I know buddy, obviously temperature in a vacuum means nothing too ;))))

lets go back to the basics

how about the principle of WATER that it always finds its level

its very simple

water ALWAYS finds its level, bodies of water always seek LEVEL (horizontal)

earth is 70%+ water

I brought temp up because spacecraft cannot physically survive the harsh conditions we're presented

my point is

waterALWAYS finds level, even at 120,000fty altitude

water on a GLOBE is not LEVEL, it is ROUND

it is BENT

yeah but how can the earth appear completely LEVEL at 120,000ft?

trying to make sure we're focusing on the same questions here

how newly have you guys started researching this topic?

lemme redefine that in a different language

milyen régen kezted ezt a témát kutatni?

well I was simply curious because theres low level questions that get answereed after months of researching

then theres higher level questions that take years

no matter what topic I threw out Im getting no research indication

it took me over 2 years to even consider flat earth to be truthful

octo i specifically said im not going into vacuums again because we completely go over each other

my stronger point of debate

is that photo i provided

120,000ft altitude

why is there no curvature?

tell me that

not too high up, but high enough to see strong curvature according to the globe earth numbers

hard to tell by this picture

earth's curvature calculator

honestly man I HIGHLY recommend looking at Eric Dubay's videos

he is the one I looked at for years to answer most general questions about the topic

thats why it took me years to get serious

after that time i became open to talking and debating about the subject

these are all questions that he has hours of videos explaining

my simple words won't do anything when these questions are asked

yeah?

yup

good eye I didn't catch that