then theres higher level questions that take years

no matter what topic I threw out Im getting no research indication

you havent really answered them though

why would it take years?

no research indication??

it took me over 2 years to even consider flat earth to be truthful

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Comparison_US_standard_atmosphere_1962.svg/829px-Comparison_US_standard_atmosphere_1962.svg.png

Earth curvature is simple. When we don’t see any, why should we keep believing there is?

ok so

originally you were talking about vacuums

Topics like that can take more time.

and you didn't really answer me on that

definitely, Derek

octo i specifically said im not going into vacuums again because we completely go over each other

my stronger point of debate

is that photo i provided

120,000ft altitude

why is there no curvature?

tell me that

that's not all that high up

not too high up, but high enough to see strong curvature according to the globe earth numbers

your photo doesn't mean much.
I don't take much stock in photos from low earth orbit because what you see depends heavily on camera lens and field of view

could you show those numbers?

you can get DRAMATICALLY different visuals depending on those variables.

hard to tell by this picture

also it'd be more useful to measure directly rather than just look with your naked eye

earth's curvature calculator

honestly man I HIGHLY recommend looking at Eric Dubay's videos

he is the one I looked at for years to answer most general questions about the topic

thats why it took me years to get serious

after that time i became open to talking and debating about the subject

these are all questions that he has hours of videos explaining

so with that graph

my simple words won't do anything when these questions are asked

yeah?

do the diagrams on the bottom show observed curvature or?

yup

good eye I didn't catch that

so at 23 miles the curvature would be really negligible

but still visible