Idealogy in my view is just one more form of social engineering / manipulation. We need to just be, in stead of trying to be something. Because at some point someone is going to write about about what he thinks we should be. Then for the rest of time everyone else who reads that book is going to try and be like that in-stead of living for themselves. Society as we know it is a gigantic fraud.

Same here talk tomorrow. Cheers

@Sheamus Morning. You were right last night, I was drifting a bit with regards to the ideology topic, I will try to explain why I drifted.
I believe the human experience in this Realm / Enclosed System / Bio-Dome was never intended to be experienced by large collectives of people who share the same ideology.
When two or more groups with opposing ideologies starts living too close to each other, or their ideology starts offending the other group's ideology, the only thing that their respective and opposing ideologies can create is division and conflict between the groups. Divide and Conquer 101.
We all may believe in roughly the same things, but our path to the conclusions and the knowledge can never ever be one hundred percent similar as we are all living and learning life though our own personalised life experiences. Which may very well be the entire point of being here in the first place.
In summary then to my mind the human experience is absolutely unique to the individual, and life was never meant to be lived as a large collective. Therefore, I can't really get a handle on why ideology is important.
I hope that makes sense.
I would like to suggest a topic for tonight, yes, I have some info on the subject matter people may or may not find interesting.
Open question for <#469490581899575297>... for discussion after graft today.

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What is Spirituality?

@Sheamus Excellent. 👍

* Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)

* “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)

* “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)

* “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

* What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

* “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)

* “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

* “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)

yup

Was looking for a specific one but can't find ir for now.

I've heard The Torah, Old Testament and Quran are pretty similar.

Muh-hollarcaaast

@rob Stick around for the chat tonight.

Should be cool

Schweet

Not talking FE tonight. We are going to try to define the concept of Spirituality. EDIT Fixed typo

I arrived at mine recently too. Because fasting..

But I did Ayahuasca ceremonies in Peru with real Shamans. Trippy shit.

I've graduated christian sunday school , been an atheist, agnostic, scientologist... beproef alles en behou die goeie?

https://youtu.be/dz0XLVUq3WI

That's the actual place and shamans.

NAILED IT

I was firced into church and sunday school like everyone else I suppose. I hated it. That's where I started searching.

I had a full-on kundalini awakening in May.

Unexpected. Didn't know WTF was going on.

You know your shit. Nice.

Don't forget about the dopamine. The fasting makes you feel really good.. you get a bit more dopamine every day. It's awesome.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/fasting-and-growth-hormone

Can confirm lol

Remember this from the first Matrix movie?

Yup.

Mark 3:11

Whenever the impure spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, "You are the Son of God."

The Matrix is a metaphor for life.

I definitely don't believe in coincidences either.

Let me post something that's even more strange than Flat Earth. Shall I?

It's all about frequency. No pun intended.

hahaha

IRC haha

What?!?! A power failure in SA? No way!

Love it. The motion of the moon is not correct though.

What do you want to calculate?

I strongly suspect that this is how the moon behaves over the circle of the earth, just like the astronomical clock in Prague - which is just a mini flat earth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ijbu-Z3Twk

@rob Oooooh yes that shit is so hot right now! Mud-floods, Phillip Druzhinin. Anatoly Fomenko's work. Yes yes yes that stuff is all true.

1000 years of fake history. Basically the dark ages and medieval times never happened.

haha

There's HUGE problems with history right now.

I firmly believe that our blood is Russian.

Have you ever heard of Great Tartaria?

I mean white people who believe they have Dutch heritage.

yeah

Trust me when I say everyone's history is fraudulent. I'll post a good starter video series on the subject.

https://youtu.be/3YszdBk4fGY

Let's rock and roll, I'm bored. Spirituality... what is it?

hahaha shit ok we can do it later

@Sheamus Let's not get too formal. Lets just chat and see

@rob In your own personal opinion?

The deepest hole ever drilled is the Kola Ultradeep borehole in Russia somewhere. 12 Kilometers.

@Sheamus Suggestions?

Rob you nailed it again

Materialsim is the opposite of Spirituality.

And from there, you can logically deduce the nature of man.

I'm doing some MS PAINT work brb

@Sheamus looool

To be more precise, materialism and spirituality exist as opposite ends of the same scale. And in order to define spirituality, we must first define materialism.

We are born into the material world right?

Anything you can quantify , or see, or touch. Even your children. EVERYTHING that exists outside of the conscious mind is a materialist attachment.

We love rugby? How can you love rugby if you can also love a woman? Therefore materialism is also everything we do.

The problem today is @rob , everyone believes themselves to be somewhat spiritual, but no one can even define the word.

So... physical things from the material world can not exist in the spiritual world right? Because it's the opposite end of the scale. Therefore, the names and concept of things of the material can not logically exist there.

That's why it is said that God loves everyone equally. Because God literally can not differentiate between people and things. By definition.

nice

beatrice.com/TAO.txt

The Tao Te Ching a modern interpretation of Lao Tzu perpetrated by Ron Hogan

That's the first non-fiction book I've read in 20 years. 2 Months ago I think.

Personally I'd rather get the right answer than pick a winner.

But lets do it.

Ok, you guys sound like seasoned debaters, so one of you please go first?

@rob Get rid of sanctity.
People will understand the truth
and be happier.

Get rid of morality.
People will respect each other
and do what's right.

Get rid of value and profit.
People will not steal
if they do not desire.

If that's not possible, go to Plan B:
Be simple. Be real.
Do your work as best you can.
Don't think about what you get for it.
Stay focused. Get rid of all your crap.

~Lao Tzu

And that scarcity mind set is a huge problem

Value is only needed in a materialist world.

To be spiritual, and to become the definition of spirituality, you have to reject the material world. Not just through fasting. You actually, literally have to start getting rid of your shit. We do not get possessed by demons, we are possessed by our own possessions.

Your mind keeps track of every single penny you have. Every single thing you say and do. Everything you own. And how much you value it.

When you start letting go of the material world - by eating less and doing less - your mind will start waking up.

I fast two to four days a week.

There is a scientifically-provable entirely physiological process that starts when you start fasting.

Imagine the human mind is like a giant one million port Gigabit Network Switch.

Every cent you have have takes up a port.

Every single thing you own is plugged in.

Even your next planned holiday is taking up a few ports already.

What I'm trying to say is, when you start unplugging from the material world, and if you fast diligently, you start going to the kingdom of God.

In my view, the Kingdom of God is the same place as the spiritual place where we get our answers from.

It's very real. Jesus did it. Lao Tzu did it. I think Bruce Lee as well - that physique is because of fasting as well. Zen and Jesus is the same thing

It's a higher state of consciousness. And the Kingdom of God really does live inside of us.

It's being blocked yes absolutely.

By keeping us busy, unhealthy and poor.

That's why they have to teach us a load of shit in school.

Like I said yesterday, you don't teach your slaves how to make guns. You make them as stupid as humanly possible.