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@beni well the most importent missunderstanding of keynsesn politics is that its an theorie about money and most economics forget that part of it is, to reduce money in a high inflation phase and increase goverment investments in an deflation. Do not know australien school i am gesellianer where john maynard keynes said:
The world will learn more from gesell as from Marx.
And i know why.
In the long run we are all death.
@beni well i looked it up yes hayek bulshit i know
i mean why would anyone increase cost for money in an deflation phase
if you do that banks will increase the cost for there money which leads into economical collaps
if you do not believe look at "wunder von wörgel" an economic crises becouse of no money in the system
it would increase the deflation
becouse if money cost more people will bunker money
which increase deflation becouse of no investments
well i am an gesellianer (i know pumping money into the system brings problems) thats why i am for giving an price for bunkering money.
and no not like inflation more like a tax on Banknotes and directly usabel bank kontos
while reducing the number of given kredits in the system (less credits and faster/more exchanges)
banks will not give kredits for many reasons (one is becouse the money is worth quite much. Secend is why go into risk and financ samething if noone buys samething. If you want to solve this naturaly that would mean great depression.
btw silvio gesell wonder of wörgel comes from austria
The Wörgl Experiment
One Schilling note with demurrage stamps from Wörgl
Wörgl was the site of the "Miracle of Wörgl" during the Great Depression. It was started on July 31, 1932, with the issuing of "Certified Compensation Bills", a form of local currency commonly known as Stamp Scrip, or Freigeld. This was an application of the monetary theories of the economist Silvio Gesell by the town's then-mayor, Michael Unterguggenberger [de].
The experiment resulted in a growth in employment and meant that local government projects such as new houses, a reservoir, a ski jump and a bridge could all be completed, seeming to defy the depression in the rest of the country. Inflation and deflation are also reputed to have been non-existent for the duration of the experiment.[citation needed]
Despite attracting great interest at the time, including from French Premier Edouard Daladier and the economist Irving Fisher,[3] the "experiment" was terminated by Austria's central bank Oesterreichische Nationalbank on September 1, 1933.[4][5]
In 2006 milestones were placed, beginning from the railroad station through the downtown, to show this history.[6]
i have a question the so called austria school what have this school done 1932? maybe blocked an sucessful money experiment.
yeah they have no empirical evidence but there is empirical evidence which just shows the oppesit of there so called theorie.
2008 was not becouse of keynsean it was becouse of not doing keynsean politics
@beni thats why they was against wörgl experiment sucess?
you had stamp scripts?
i am talking about irving fisher the other persons who understood silvio gesell you know
lol
no
fiat was there bevore
the ground of fiat money was the transition you can even found in the middle age
wechsel in german do not rly know the english word for it
"wechsel"
promise to pay maybe
as a post keynsean i would not say so
fiat money need guarantys to come into the system
the oppesit of the fiat money is always the depts
in my kind of few it would be good to reduce the amount of money in the system by reducing the number of given credits while at the same time increase the speed of money circulating by increasing the number of lended money
credit =/= lending money
i am an gesellianer
which got praised by keynsean
Gesell is the founder of the free economy, an economic outsider who nevertheless was recognized by Keynes, in a certain sense, as his forerunner. He is therefore still considered to be above all a Keynesian economist, even a kind of hyper-Keynesian, that is to say, an advocate of a school that propagates the lowest (nominal) interest rate possible as a means of avoiding crises. Gesell, however, also recognized that the problem of a crisis cannot be solved solely by reducing the rates of interest... Gesell suggests, therefore, as the necessary correlative to the introduction of 'free money' ... the introduction of ‘free land’... Gesell's chief work thus carries the title ‘A Natural Economic Order Through Free Land (!) and Free Money’. It proves that the real aspects of an economy – that is to say, the claim on land or resources – must never be lost from view, even if primary importance is attached to monetary factors. This was recognized more clearly by Gesell than by Keynes.
i always think like people who sai keynes = hyperinflation did not understand that part of keynes is also to reduce the money in the system again.
whats never bin done although.
but thats nothing keynes can do samething about
its eay increase tax for rich
incrase tax in generel
decrease tay in depression
incfrease in boom
and if they move away increase tax for imports of that nations
also if they move thats fast
whats with all there immobil capital
i know
thats why i am an gesellianer not an pure keynseaner
btw if i would found that in english its basicly what i found an good idear
but well sry i take my leave now.
and why?
well not very democratic or?
who is winning in the parliament (more republicans or deomcrats?)
i mean its clear biden will win in my eyes.
the video has an missleading headline: Socialism Vs Capitalism Debate =/= Marxism Vs Capitalism Debate
if they did not even know that how bad will be the rest
well ok which parts of it would you say are good i skipped into it for 1 time and they talked without any numbers so far i see. Is currency part of debate yes or no?
is currency part of it?
say me if it is and i skip to that blind point in both marxism and the so called capitalism.
well marxism economics ignore the difference between goods and currency (its both just capital in there textes whats bullshit) and capitalism speak nonsense like you have to save money bevore it can be credited (whats also nonsense becouse that does not solve the question how the money even come into the system)
its as i said they realy do not understand it
ask an economics whats the job of a bank is if he says banks lends money you know he do not understand money at all.
but well it is how it is many economics just do not understand money
i mean ask an economics how money is created can he answer you that question?
The question has to be treated in two parts, due to a split in the way money is talked about in academic economics. She suggested that “money and banking” was treated differently from “macroeconomics”. Money and banking was seen as on the fringe somewhat, “a frivolous option”. Keynes said, when he was writing the General Theory, that he thought that what he was writing would revolutionise the way the world thought. He had a theory where “money permeated the entire economy”. In modern economics, though, the role of money is separated from the whole analysis.
She said that economics thinks of itself as uncovering universal truths rather than being based in the context of its time. For example, the quantity theory of money is based in a historical period where gold was a major factor.
When she was a student in the late 1950s, she said, it was widely understood that loans create deposits. Now students are told that deposits create loans, which is wrong.
Much of neo-classical economics “regard banks as glorified safes.” However, “banks do not lend money” she stated. They don’t have a pot of money that they are passing on.
It is the ability of banks to create money that led Keynes to say that investment came before savings.
During the Q & A session after her presentation at the conference, Prof Chick expanded upon her main points. To a question about whether some academics were being “bought off”, she replied that there is something that “seeps into the veins of academia” rather than people being deliberately “bought off”. Although some had been “bought off” she said, if you’ve seen the film, Inside Job.
There is also social pressure to conform, she said. “You are just not part of the gang” if you don’t go along with the dominant ideology.
ether nor
maybe you can call him an non-marxism socialist
well thats the main point of the video and also keynes
think about it
if banks loan money where do the have the money from?
ähm deposits have them from where?
and they have them from banks?
but you see the companys first need a credit bevvore they can invest with this credit they also pay thre workers which results in bank creates money
money is created via credit
also depts is created that way
the other side of money is debts
credit is giving out an paper which says can be exchanged at the bank against banknotes. (bank accounts are also like papers which can be exchanged against banknotes)
while at this process you get an claim for banknotes
the same thing as?
well there are different kind of money
banknotes =/= fiat money
@justkaus its euro but wellthere are euro bank notes and also euro fiat money.
i would have german videos about it but well that does not help
for giving credit (fiat money) you need a bank, banks give credit
you have goverment which makes rules for gioving credits
and you have ecb which says you need an minimum of guarantys to give out an amount of credits
yes money comes from credit
thats why all this saying bank lends money is bullshit
oh well yes it has to be banks (central banks are also banks which gives an other kind of credit to the bank) #interbankenhandel (in german)
becouse lending means you have saved samething which you can than land out
banks do not have saved samething they creat samething thats an completly other thing
banks creat money and destroy money when credits are liquidated
while how much they can create and in which rules is different from countrys
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