Message from @hororizon44575

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2020-11-04 10:06:18 UTC  

"wechsel"

2020-11-04 10:06:53 UTC  

promise to pay maybe

2020-11-04 10:07:05 UTC  

Production is what important for economic growth and creates an equal flow of demand. Demand is the afternath of production, not the other way around.
Keynesian target demand not production which ultimately leads to failure.

2020-11-04 10:07:44 UTC  

as a post keynsean i would not say so

2020-11-04 10:07:57 UTC  

> the ground of fiat money was the transition you can even found in the middle age
@hororizon44575
Fiat money is not backed by any limited commodity, such thing is empirical in Keynesian economy's doctrine

2020-11-04 10:08:48 UTC  

fiat money need guarantys to come into the system

2020-11-04 10:09:02 UTC  

the oppesit of the fiat money is always the depts

2020-11-04 10:09:43 UTC  

Yes guarantee is not a limited thing it can be manipulated however the guarantor likes

2020-11-04 10:10:16 UTC  

in my kind of few it would be good to reduce the amount of money in the system by reducing the number of given credits while at the same time increase the speed of money circulating by increasing the number of lended money

2020-11-04 10:10:42 UTC  

credit =/= lending money

2020-11-04 10:10:51 UTC  

Exactly, but Keynesians believe the speed of money circulating always become faster when more is in it

2020-11-04 10:10:59 UTC  

Which causes hyper inflation

2020-11-04 10:11:20 UTC  

Your take is different than a Keynesian

2020-11-04 10:11:30 UTC  

i am an gesellianer

2020-11-04 10:11:34 UTC  

Which is more appropriate

2020-11-04 10:11:43 UTC  

which got praised by keynsean

2020-11-04 10:12:41 UTC  

Every modern economic crisis is caused by Keynesian. The very fact that usa is so astronomically rich due to the reserve currency status of it makes Keynesians get away with blunders

2020-11-04 10:13:23 UTC  

Gesell is the founder of the free economy, an economic outsider who nevertheless was recognized by Keynes, in a certain sense, as his forerunner. He is therefore still considered to be above all a Keynesian economist, even a kind of hyper-Keynesian, that is to say, an advocate of a school that propagates the lowest (nominal) interest rate possible as a means of avoiding crises. Gesell, however, also recognized that the problem of a crisis cannot be solved solely by reducing the rates of interest... Gesell suggests, therefore, as the necessary correlative to the introduction of 'free money' ... the introduction of ‘free land’... Gesell's chief work thus carries the title ‘A Natural Economic Order Through Free Land (!) and Free Money’. It proves that the real aspects of an economy – that is to say, the claim on land or resources – must never be lost from view, even if primary importance is attached to monetary factors. This was recognized more clearly by Gesell than by Keynes.

2020-11-04 10:14:08 UTC  

i always think like people who sai keynes = hyperinflation did not understand that part of keynes is also to reduce the money in the system again.

2020-11-04 10:14:16 UTC  

whats never bin done although.

2020-11-04 10:14:32 UTC  

That's the thing

2020-11-04 10:14:55 UTC  

but thats nothing keynes can do samething about

2020-11-04 10:15:12 UTC  

People underestimate how hard it gets to deflate by removing money supply during inflationary economic boom

2020-11-04 10:15:21 UTC  

Everyone forget to work on it

2020-11-04 10:15:32 UTC  

its eay increase tax for rich

2020-11-04 10:15:40 UTC  

incrase tax in generel

2020-11-04 10:15:48 UTC  

decrease tay in depression

2020-11-04 10:15:49 UTC  

Then rich will just move away

2020-11-04 10:15:53 UTC  

incfrease in boom

2020-11-04 10:15:55 UTC  

And turn it into detroit

2020-11-04 10:16:19 UTC  

and if they move away increase tax for imports of that nations

2020-11-04 10:16:34 UTC  

also if they move thats fast

2020-11-04 10:16:43 UTC  

whats with all there immobil capital

2020-11-04 10:17:42 UTC  

They tend to make strong lobbies in political field of their respective nations

2020-11-04 10:18:02 UTC  

And tend to steer tax policies to their profit

2020-11-04 10:18:23 UTC  

i know

2020-11-04 10:18:23 UTC  

Only in an authoritarian socialist nation, it won't happen

2020-11-04 10:18:46 UTC  

thats why i am an gesellianer not an pure keynseaner