Murdering in self-defense is very different than murdering somebody for kicks

Whatever you know what I meant

Stop

We all get it

Dj... But it's not at all obvious what constitutes well being beyond simple ideas

And we know this because we have differences of opinion on abortion and the death penalty etc.

If it was obvious wed all agree

But if its objective it has to be by majority rules

I mean subjective

Subjective= majority rules

Exactly

So just throw people in jail... Because we want to.

If morality is subjective and it changes based on the time and culture you're in... There's no valid way to say the person has actually done wrong.

Well that's fine but we can't label them as good or bad that we need to acknowledge do we really have no idea and we're putting him in jail because we want to

Right. So then slavery was correct for it today

Its day

Whoa you just said morality was subjective according to its time.

So that means slavery was not wrong

Not sure why you keep bringing up God and say God justified it as if thats wrong

I believe according to your framework there's no way to say it's bad

That's subjective morality leaves you no room to make moral judgments about God or slavery or anything

Ok... I need to get back to work

Ok. Looks like my team left I can talk

I believe my thoughts on morality are very cogent

My point us that subjective morality leaves you no room to make judgments about God or slavery or anything. Knowing that by today's standards things were wrong yesterday we can only assume that by tomorrow standards we are also wrong. The ground is shifting and you can make no claims of superior knowledge

Okay give me one idea to address

I live in California

Do you just put up with Trump? Do you really think he's a good guy? That his motives are good? Do you think he has good ideas for governing ? I'm seriously asking

Well now I can't tell if you're a troll or not... because of the lolol

Just to be crystal clear.
You think Trump is a good guy and he cares about America?

Trump likes winning

Hmm

That's your great concern?

I'm not trying to troll here. I honestly think this. Trump is actually making it so that America is not number one.. and our company economy will eventually suffer

..scratch company...

Globalization, ai, automation and the internet have changed everything about commerce

We don't live in the same world we did 25 years ago

Manufacturing jobs were primarily lost because of automation

There's plenty of statistics on that

Remember when Trump save that factory during his campaign?

The guy who owned the factory got a couple million and tax breaks... To keep it going.

he was interviewed and they asked him what he was going to do with the money... He said automation.
It's anecdotal..but ironic

The Chinese already ow half of America. Trump just gave them more ownership by putting us more in debt

Own

China could ask for it any day and if we don't pay it that our credit rating goes down

That is how it works

Do you know what happened in Greece?

The U.S. debt to China is $1.11 trillion as of May 2019. That's 27% of the $4.1 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $22 trillion national debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself.

China has held more than $1 trillion in U.S. debt every year since 2010. That's when the U.S. Department of the Treasury changed how it measures the debt

China's position as America's largest banker gives it some political leverage. Now and then, China threatens to sell part of its debt holdings. It knows that if it does, U.S. interest rates would rise, slowing U.S economic growth. China often calls for a new global currency to replace the dollar, which is used in most international transactions. China does this whenever the United States allows the value of the dollar to drop. That makes the debt China holds less valuable.

You can't say on the one hand sign is not a threat because of a debt and then say on the other hand it is.

If you believe it is a threat to US... You must be a distraught that Trump was on the phone trying to get dirt on biden them with their leader. his priorities are not the priorities of America

There's the problem... Traditional us values... That's odd because I thought Trump was trampling them

@Svea Rike ... Not really what?

Cracks in trump GOP support ...

'I certainly wouldn’t vote to impeach on the basis of what I’ve seen so far,” says veteran Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma, a former executive director of the Republican National Committee. “I’m not going to rule it in or out.”

It means the tide is changing...

Sorry theist. Thats not a very a analagous situation. We have many many examples of buildings and know people who make buildings for a living. The universe is singular as far as we know

And time and space are two sides of the same thing.

Christian too

No evidence of that

Im Christian. I think God made the universe. But your example was not valid

Boring news! Yeah!

Without Trump it will be less entertaining

You think the transcript is weak support? He broke the law regardless of quid pro quo

Federal Election Commission law.. it's illegal to solicit or receive or be gifted I think of value in relation to a campaign from a foreign entity

Yeah it's grounds for impeachment... When he did it on several phone calls and he did it on national TV

Lol... Tell Trump that

It doesn't say that Trump was asking for them io investigate Biden?

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, what Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great," Trump said to Zelensky in the call,

It's illegal to solicit

You don't have to receive anything for it to be illegal

No the Federal elections commission chair has already said this

It's illegal

https://campaignlegal.org/update/yes-president-trump-violated-campaign-finance-law-asking-ukraine-favor

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/03/thing-fec-chair-forced-remind-trump-again-it-illegal-solicit-election-help-foreign

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fec-chair-ellen-weintraub-foreign-interference-trump_n_5d961996e4b0da7f66231326

Look we quoted the transcript above

Why did he mention Biden son?

And why has he continue to mention Biden son over and over again in the news

Look the federal elections committee chair has already said it was illegal

And he did it another phone calls to other officials

Guess you never heard of the mafia being prosecuted? They always speak in code...

It's not subtle. Prosecutors could prosecute this easily

The facts are: he withheld funding;

He asked for dirt on his opponent's son

Cobra... Do you honestly think he wasn't asking for dirt

Trump is president

Of the United States

That wasn't subtle

That's funny that you think that

What do you make of the messages after the call?

Ikr

Exactly

In the context is that was his main opponent in the upcoming election and the context is he just withheld desperately needed aid and the context is Giuliani had already been plying him with information about biden's son

Of course they did

Where did you get that idea

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/fec-chair-subtweets-trump-after-plea-for-china-to-investigate-bidens.html

Right... exactly

I think this is really a moot conversation... More and more stops going to come out anyway

Stuff

The poll for impeachment jumps 13% in the last week

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464777-majority-in-new-poll-supports-impeachment-inquiry-almost-half-back