i'm talking before that too, the whole point of the civil war was that, where the confederates wanted less rules from the North, less taxes

They asserted themselves as independents, and the Union crushed them for it

thats bullshit, god didn't give people individual rights, the founding fathers did

no it wasn't

in fact it was the opposite

they wanted a land where anyone could be FREE, regardless of their beliefs, be it spiritual or political

because creationists are retards that think god created existance

If god gave them individual rights, he sure did a nice job of protecting them for the west

Altruism is bull too, people don't do things out of their own kindness, they do it for a personal reward, those that show kindness do it because it makes them feel good, not because they believe in being kind

yes

i don't consider morals to exist

they don't, morals is just a word used by people to define the line they consider fine, and bad

what you consider good and evil doesn't apply to everyone else

I consider religion to be evil, in any form

it does not, what societies consider good and evil changes over time

yes, and thats what the left is doing today

i always did

I agree with the end, just not your ideals of an "enligthenment"

The way i see it, modern society just replaced God with Socialism

they are not

they're both lies told to people to control them

reason gimps control

If a leader can't have people removed on a whim, but instead be faced with "but theres no reason for it" they don't have power

its just a power play

this is why progressives only value "power", they consider facts to only be what the person in power declares to be true

If i say the sky is blue, but a person in power says its green, to post-moderninsts the sky is green

i like your thinking Ping 😛

and no the intellectual elite don't believe in altruism, if they did they'd remove all forms of welfare, and only opt for a real "safety net" and pure capitalism

becausei n the long run that will eliminate leeching/weak people and only create a strong society that advances through competition

because people will learn to survive and learn they are strong enough to survive without a "nanny state"

no, they're the embodiment of "ooh look at how nice we are aren't we good?" its the Kind person al over again, they don't do it for the person being helped, tehy do it to make themselves feel good

Give a man a fish / teach a man to fish argument

Altruism is just gaining favor by showing how nice you are

a true form of Altruism would be to teach people to be independent and strong so they can live their life, find a good partner, and hopefully get children to continue the species as strong as possible

teaching people to be strong so they can find a mate and sustain themselves is selfish now?

I thought it was selfish to keep people dependent, so they vote for you cuz they know they can't survive on their own

yes, and then what happens when you die? they die too because they learned to need your help, not survive on their own once yuo're gone

this is why Africa is such a dependent and shitty place, because those people are dependent on our help, which in turn keeps them infantile, like children because they can't grow up and survive

why would they? they get free stuff if they're helpless

I wont argue that that is what people want to believe

i'm arguing that theres no altruism in keeping people in a child-like dependant state where their only way to survive is by your graces

i reject your view of altruism so to speak

yes, like a Parent does to its child

A parent also values their child be able to sustain themselves, A parent is not gonna be around forever

they'll want their child to be strong enough to survive on its own

THAT is the true altruism for me

To sacrifice your time and life(work) to raise a child to be self-sustaining to continue the species

which is what soceity if its REALLY altruistic should do, not take someones hard earned money BY FORCE mind you, and give it to any random schlob that says "waah i can't survive on my own"

It is exactly that Jaden

Communism is putting a gun to peoples head and saying "you're going to sacrifice your work and time for someone else" you don't get a say in it

which is why i reject your altruism position Revolver

O_Castitas, you rock 😛

but that is my view on it, Altruism is self-sacrifice for others, the best way to do it would be to teach people to be independent so they can be strong in times that need strength

Anyhow, as much as i love arguing endlessly and repeating the same talking points, its 2:20 at night for me on a Tuesday 😛 i need some sleep

I don't see how its selfish to teach a person to survive without the help from someone else's good grace

Holodomor is a prime example of that

people can't live for themselves if they're dependant on a force that can take it away from them arbitrarily

its not sacrifice if a person puts a gun to my head and says you're gonna work for others or die

Thats slavery

yes Mr.Binary, thats why i think the true act of selflessness, is setting people free, aka, teach them to survive on their own

Heres a new perspective for you

How is being a ball and chain to someone else an act of self-sacrifice?

in other words, how is being the beneficiary of an altruist person making you selfless? if anything it makes you selfish, for using another persons sacrifice

that makes no sense!

why would giving someone freedom over their own life be selfish?

yes, i value my childrens ability to not be a slave to another persons whims, boy am i a selfish bastard 😛

i thought Pride was the strongest emotion

and that lust and all teh other sins came from that

what if i WANT to go to bed, but people disagree with me on the internet?

its 2:35 at night! y'all killing me

if its a duty its not selflessness because it didnt come from free will but duty

no its not

Rational self interest to me would be, someone smart enough to abuse the welfare system, because those idiots forcing welfare will give you free money that someone else earned for you

no im not

if i don't need their money, but still take it, its for my benefit only

yes

get rid of its non-essential parts

that yoru kids get welfare too

right, i'm off to bed, cuz this is just an endless cycle right now

this is just become a cycle of Revolver saying people are selfless for wanting to make people dependent on them

and wanting to make the human race better is a selfish act

and everyone else disagreeing with him

no, your position is just blabbering a bad position

Ayn Rands Objectivism is like Communism

Looks good on paper, but human nature will never make it work

Go away Commisar Bob dole 😛

i see your reference! 😛

We must go forward, not backward, upward, not downward, and always twirlling TWIRLLING TOWARDS FREEDOM

human individuals matter

therefore i matter

ofc i did, i'm the one arguing for the rationale here

also Tim, i'm so sorry for giving you like a 5000 message Newsroom here 😛

i'm gonna go to bed, you all have fun with your american time

cheerios

naw he's just here to find the Beanie of Power, to destroy fake news

I wonder if there will ever be a moment, where Tim wears like a baseball cap instead of a beanie for a recording, and never adresses that change just to mess with peoples heads

just stick though it with your head down

students are a commodity for schools, they're more inclined to listen to the people funding them

well look at it this way,

if you're against their system of "equalityyyyyy" they'll hate you and make your life a hell

They wont listen to students cuz once you do, everyone will have an "idea on how to improve things" and it will just be bothersome

on the other hand, the people funding them don't offer advice, for them its "you listen or you're not getting paid money"

afaik, he UK is "ratting out neighbors" away from having a stasi

also i'm with Grenade on this one, best to keep your head low and be there when its crucial, cuz making a problem about it is just painting a giant bullseye on yourself

also you can fix discrimination in 2 ways

Get rid of the discrimination
Get rid of the people pointing out discrimination

One method requires years of re-educating millions, train millions and self reflection

The other method requires you to point and scream at someone and have everyone else remove them for you

can honest people would be a better question

also, why is it that every modern democrat woman looks like a man?

lets just say looking at them all, i wouldn't have guessed 🤔

i always attributed it to that tale from that childrens book writer

that a person with ugly thoughts, every minute of every day, they slowly become ugly

tbh, those people have no structure and control over life, have no meaning to their existance, and have no personality, so they define themselves by some pre-writen identity

no those walmart people are just nutters

i refered to that article from CreativeRealms, on those people who turned emo

nah its just attention seeking, these are people who hate themselves for not being unique enough, so they just go with whats considered awful and rebelious

it only becomes insanity if you keep it up after age 25

why?

what class am i defining them by?

no im refering to anyone that goes from a normal average person with no apparent issues into a mental case before they're 25

who cares about trans people, 99% of those leftist people aren't even trans

how so?