I'd imagine most peoples in Europe would say that a fully assimilated immigrant (while we may argue on what clasisfies Assimilated) is == Native citizen

thats civic

in rights and political realities

if I went up to random people in europe and asked if we should see a fully culturally assimilated migrants as any different socially/legally/politically as a native citizens, I'd bet money it would take a while before I met someone who said no

you might get "Ah but they don't assimilate' arguments, which is possibly fair

But that puts it very happily in civic nationalism doesn't?

or yes. whichever way makes the argument im making

good. Whats with the special special snowflakeness?

well it seems removed from the other tags, want to know what it means

ah fair

and which are you? Bullied or bully?

getrekt

I have no idea what a skittalgaloop is. Literal or Abstract.

thats cool

if irony was lost on the autists, the internet wouldnt exist

The paper defines religion far too loosely

essentially its more claiming that 'Religious Sensibilities' are satisified by nationalism

Not all thing thats satisify religious sensisbilities are religions

lol 'intellectual honesty'

What about the Jews?

Tzedakah - Charitable giving

it also doesn't seem strange that any Collective making group would be better at charity then just dudes. Regardless of beliefs connected to it.

@Deleted User What do you mean we live in an age? Russias been murdering agents accross the globe since before we were born

@versterven 'Well Technically..' Arguments aren't exactly compelling

Is this argument over how well we've recorded dead people? Or is someone actually argueing that Soviet Russia wasn't a cold and Authoritarian place?

Wheres he done that?

@Lexicon dur, that takes too long and costs too much

@Lexicon maintaining it burning takes effort. V.cold

They burn more wood than not burning anything

lolwat?

^

that

Redeem? Justify your life? Fuck off pussy

Justify to who? For what?

Of being skeptical?

Glory, maybe. for me and mine

@Thomas the Sowell Train [USA] You not gonna elucidate on what you mean by Redeem and Justify?

@Thomas the Sowell Train [USA] ohok. So your aware it's a backwards soceity loving mentality then? Cool

What should I have said?

lolwat? is also appropriate

LOL

Virtue Signal much

wat? @Deleted User

Mate, I haven't declared any positon

I'm just asking for information

And what are you believing in?

I just don't understand why 'Americah' counts as that

Ok? That may well be a good thing. Where do the justifcation of life and redemption come into it?

Do you guys not like to chat shit about political positions and personal values? If that ain't something thats welcome here you may as well just tell me, I'd happily jog on.

From me?

then why you painting me with the same brush?

Oh I forgot that maxim, if you declare you are anything Left of Clinton and Blair, you must show deference and be civil?

But not you guys though. This is your land

dem were da days

@versterven tbf 'muh country, muh patrioism' isn't really sargonite liberalism

Could be wrong on that though

Any? Wherever said speaker currently is

@NightOwl None? I'd imagine

Did we get mixed up there or am I missing a joke? @NightOwl

yeah probably

He may betray a certain patriotism in how he talks, but his declaritive values are fairly multi-cultural

I'd argue the same statement reversed @versterven He sees Liberalism as superior, Western culture the main outlet of liberalism

@Deleted User on what is a liberalist. A cringey name for a set of Liberal Secularist I'd think

@versterven usually by appealing to liberal values that said behaviour lines up with

@versterven because uncoupling those things is quite difficult, and we can't expect people to do that perfectly.

And we Brits built that shit

@versterven yeah I'd agree with that. Boners for giving your life at the alter of Patriotism isn't exactly compatible with that. Which is where we were in the discussion.

@versterven What I was trying to get at is you claimed people here freak when people step out of said Liberalism. We weren't in that Liberalism.

Patriotism Boner @Thomas the Sowell Train [USA]

The concepts of needing to justify your life and redeem your own existence through supporting state military action

Probably? But that's clearly further right then Sargonism and you were claiming that discussion must rest WITHIN it else jimmies will be rustled

patrioitism boners are certainly further right then Thatcherite Atomisation

@versterven the film full of satire levied at that concept?

@versterven @Ruggwain but believing your birth and following early years subsiding on other peoples goods creates a moral imperitive you have to make up for in adulthood. Is against social liberalism.

@versterven requiring citizenship or the methods towards how citizenship is obtained?

@versterven No it's not

@versterven yeah thats fair. But our personal sentiments are rarely in line with our declaritive values. I'd imagine any society Sargon would create would involve MORE paths to Citizenship then the Starship troopers case

@versterven because thats boring

@versterven I was having fun for a moment there and you backed off 😦

@versterven Patrichal by design or circumstance?

@versterven it is. But one implies a different ruling class wouldn't commit the same sins, the other doesn't.

@versterven nah fuck off. Woms can be men too

@versterven As the number of woms in positions of power has increased, so has the reported cases of Female to male sexual harassment in the work place. Gender roles shoe horm individuals into sets they may not be equipped for.

@versterven no we should base our society on universalist values so the devients can best acheive self-acculization as well as the normies

@Deleted User A teenage temper tantrum

@versterven how?

@versterven and, with the areas of human endeavour being pretty damn vast, we can sure the majority of individuals fit as deviant in our of those areas.

@versterven Nah, we should train people onto the broken down skills and values best suited to the end pursuits. Whoever fills the classes is the best for the role.

@versterven but some of that clustering may be culturally defined and absent said culture it could settle differently

@versterven So? Doesn't mean some women aren't stronger then me and that those women shouldn't be allowed to pursue strength based roles

@M4Gunner Rhonda would still kick my arse if i did

@versterven why make that room when we can just universalise on to traits and skills and go home?

@versterven how?

@versterven nothx bro. That approach always leads to servere harm to individuals.

@versterven What bad consequences?

@versterven Britian and America have been doing fine with Universalist qualities

@M4Gunner if the terrible outcome of breaking that tradition is more men take it up the arse. Well- I think thats a price I can pay.

^ also yeah that

though I put no special privilege on the family structure

lol