Easy

All we can do here is debate first principles themselves

Its like we're trying to speak different languages

You shouldn't.

Both people and governments should hold the right principles and if you do and your government doesn't then you should attempt to fix this

A communist doesn't value ethic blood so no

Again the subject of debate has to be WHAT are the right principles

And why

Is morality subjective

The answer to that question determines the answer to yours

If morality is objective then your personal beliefs are irrelevant to what is right

I'm not interested in debating Hitler right now. It has nothing to do with principles

@The Big Oof intersting, then why on earth do you oppose Moth?

If its subjective then the lesbian should follow her personal beliefs

Since to her this is moral and there's no objective morality

Yes they do lol

It depends on the leftists

In any case I am not a nihilist

I am a Darwinian so to speak

razor I disagree with both of you not because you believe in objective morality, but because you don't 😎

Subjective morality is weak @The Big Oof

It's like libertarianism

You're cucking your own morality

We all believe in things, but some people have mental blocks that stop them from realizing their ideals.

Libertarians have a mental block that prevents them from using state power to get what they want and nihilists have a mental block that prevents them from putting forth their morality as objective.

@The Big Oof

What are you

lol

Then you're not ready

weak

You're mind is chaotic and your worldview is ripe to be blown around by the wind

You cant even articulate who you are or what you believe

This demonstrates the weakness of your position

I want you to complete your training and evolve 😉

So I will share my worldview with you.
An organism's purpose is survival.
Since all organisms die, no organism can survive indefinitely, but genes can
Organisms are vessels for genes, and thus an organism's ultimate purpose is to secure the survival of its genes.

This worldview enables me to determine how I should act in any given scenario, what I should do and what I should not do.

@εïз irma εïз I don't think you understand what materialism means

Materialism is a form of philosophical monism which holds that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all things, including mental aspects and consciousness, are results of material interactions.

So quite literally I am not a materialist according to this definition because I don't believe that all things, including mental aspects and consciousness, are results of material interactions.

No it isn't. I am a dualist. You don't understand materialism

Again I literally don't believe that all things are reducible to matter

lol see I knew you didn't get it

you're conflating two things that aren't the same

Materialism isn't a moral system

Do you know what the 3 views on matter and mind are

I have a correction to make:
Earlier I said "I am an idealist."
That was a mistake. I am not an idealist, I am a dualist.

That might be the source of the confusion.

Do we agree that materialism is a term with a standard definition

Okay, excellent.

I do not believe that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all things, including mental aspects and consciousness, are results of material interactions.

I believe that matter is ONE fundamental substance in nature along with the imaterial

So consciousness is its own reality

And is not reducible to matter

Ideas for example the number zero is not reducible to matter

Well materialism posits that everything is reducible to matter so to speak

Have you met a materialist before? Lol I've never heard one say that

Well in any case I think I laid out my case for why I can't possibly be a materialist based on my belief about reality

I mean perhaps what you dislike about my moral system is that it doesn't deny the material world because you do

Many moral systems deny the material world

Reality is comprised of matter and immaterial. Both elements are real and I reject neither.

I choose to recognize the value of matter and you choose to see this as a rejection of the imaterial

Absurd

The only logical conclusion of my moral system is not materialism haha

You don't have to deny the existence of immaterial reality to believe in my moral system

Therefore the only logical conclusion of my moral system is not materialism

@The Big Oof based on what moral system? The moral system of the group that person belongs to or mine?

@The Big Oof so your morality, which you stated earlier was subjective, is that aborting your own children is moral?

@εïз irma εïз I've explained at length why you misunderstand what materialism is. I see no reason to repeat myself again.

Fine, I will repost it again not sure what good that will do. This is the last time

materialism posits that everything is reducible to matter so to speak
I do not believe that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all things, including mental aspects and consciousness, are results of material interactions.
I believe that matter is ONE fundamental substance in nature along with the imaterial

I you're still confused please reread my earlier posts.

My notion of morality does NOT posit that everything is reducible to matter.

It could, to be fair, but it could just as easily not

@εïз irma εïз Really? That's badass

I had no clue

Why are we fighting

Zexy and I will be bffs now

Darn I have to join vc on another server because I promised I would 😦

This has been a great discussion

Its a shame we couldn't get more into it but lets talk again

@Miguelinileugim yes.

It was a question. I answered

@Miguelinileugim there are intelligent Communists

Have I met one? ...well 😂

Me too

I had 2 female professors who were self identified Marxist feminists

This was a nominally Christian college btw

Just in case you had any illusions about college, they're run by self identified marxists and if you're accused of bigotry then you're fired/expelled

@Deleted User I mean I knew before I saw this meme wall, but...damn

Really drives it home you know

If we can accept that for the moment, I do wonder why, I mean how would anything be improved for them with Muslims controlling former white states with nukes?

Memes are important

Not in the way you're thinking

I mean memes like the meme of white privilege

Wrong

You misunderstand what a conservative is

A conservative doesn't want to rebel against the establishment

He wants to keep it going

Exactly, the modern establishment is social justice

So the conservatives defend it