Message from @Snakeisninja
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Are you a nihilist out of curiousity?
can we just presume Americans are a single ethnicity?
Moth
yes @Snakeisninja
Eh, not really
How would you describe yourself philosophically
I'm a utilitarian
Well that's where the disagreement lies.
I am not and I assume razor isnt either
So naturally a utilitarian wont value group cohesion the way razor and I do
But, as I was mentioning earlier...
Why should I place my loyalty in a backwoods farmer with different philosophical, ideological, and religious views than me, though does belong to my nation
Over someone, who is likewise an urbanite and shares a common philosophy, ideology, and religion, but just so happens to be a different ethnicity?
Because the backwoods farmer would most likely defend you if your country was attacked, first of all
@SilverLining if you're a utilitarian you shouldn't.
Easy
Wheras the urbanite would most likely defend his ethnic kin first
All we can do here is debate first principles themselves
Its like we're trying to speak different languages
Why should I defend a nation which holds different ideological and philosophical principles than me?
You don't really have to
**fixed question
But you should defend your country
The state is a means to an end
Both people and governments should hold the right principles and if you do and your government doesn't then you should attempt to fix this
Assuming the invaders have a just reason and are more in line with my ideology...
What are the invaders there for?
"Just reason" is subjective
I mean, it's a case to case basis
For example, let's just go to the nazi germany circa 1945
Supposing I'm...
Invaders are almost there to spread their influence
a lesbian, communist german
Who's somehow managed to make it this far
Should I defend the german homeland, the german people, even though if I did so, I'd likely be persecuted after making my effort
A communist doesn't value ethic blood so no
^
eh, fine
just a lesbian german
there we go