@LuxCo that's quite possible

@Astro is it wrong?

@Astro we should test that theory. Let's poll bishops from around the world on their knowledge of domestic American politics

New Canon Law: Thou Shalt check the Interwebs to see what all sins thou Mass attendees wath comitith

"oh wow I'm Pope now, I'm gonna be installed! Let me just check the interwebs to see what all sins my few thousand Mass attendees have committed"

-Silent Generation Pope in 2013

Nah, I'm just sick of the POPE MAN BAD shit

@Wrath which ones?

Call me the devils advocate, if you will

@Wrath what is that specific thing?

@Wrath so what does Francis have to do to prove *to you* that he's pro-life? Maybe say DEUS VULT and stab the Argentine president on arrival?

@MawLr “I prefer to give my life before changing the law of celibacy.”

-Pope Francis

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-pope-francis-not-in-favor-of-optional-priestly-celibacy-31753

@MawLr see, it looks like you're never pleased. He clearly states that he is not looking to get rid of celibacy, but you're unhappy still. You know, no doubt, that we have married priest already, right?

@Wrath oh sorry. Pope Francis is Communist agent. C-can I receive SSPX sacraments now?

@Wrath ooh lmao

I like it actually

@Astro Katrina shoulda hit your mom. She would've sponged it

Lmao

@Astro probably one is cringe, I guess

But I am honored

Reminder
@MawLr

Pope: says abortion is wrong
Pope: holds diplomatic meeting
MawLr: WTF POPE IS HYPOCRITE
MawLr: POPE NEVER CONDEMNS ABORTION

Tell me, if he had come out and declared (what exactly?) would you think he was doing a great thing, or would he be "just doing his job"?

@MawLr I MEAN WE COULD

@LuxCo LET'S DO IT

@LuxCo McCarrick?

@MawLr no, to clarify that: whether or not to excommunicate someone is a pastoral action, meaning that the bishop can decide to do it or not based on whether he thinks it is a good idea. Now, we might disagree, but we don't really have the authority to say who should he excommunicated or not.

@Based Chav that's true too

Right, I agree about that

@Based Chav well they already are excommunicated, so no in that case it is not. Unless their excommunication were lifted, of course

But, if we're talking about that, then there are thousands - if not millions - of cases where people who should not be receiving (due to excommunications or just not being Catholic) are receiving communion still. So there needs to be a solution which is going to reduce that number effectively, which requires a lot more thought than saying they should just not be allowed.

Of course Pelosi and Biden are well known abortion supporters who the bishops could easily make an example of (and I think some bishops have) so it's reasonable that the bishops should do so.

My point earlier, however, is that we're all expecting an Argentine Silent Generation pope to do all this on his first day, which is just a little ridiculous. Though I'll concede that he should do it now.

@Wrath

@NokiaLord @Wrath the article cited was from 2013 and was about his installation Mass

@Wrath maybe you weren't, but I think a lot of trads do expect him to be the Young Pope and that his job is easier than it is. I believe a lot of trads think they could be Pope an getter done.

Yeah, it's rare to see someone not receive at a NO Mass

I'd like Cardinal Sarah as Pope

Sure, I'll grant you that, but I'm still sick of all the belly aching. If he does something big, then fine, but meeting with politicians from around the world is just mundane.

I mean I'm just as sick of the Jimmy Akin types for whom the Pope can do no harm. We ought to find the middle ground between complaining about every bad thing and praising every good thing.

Sure, but I'm not sure that he's doing that on purpose. I won't making any claims about his motivations, but (because of my filial relationship with him) I should give him the benefit of the doubt. Not that his motivations can't be malicious, of course, just that we should not assume his motivations are malicious.

@Natio finally balanced, as all things should be

Btw, is there only this channel for meme posting? I coulda swore there was a channels named memes, but that might just be the other channels I'm in

@LushDeadlymau125 oh really? Shit, I thought the only consequence of that was gonna be public mockery. Oh well

Oh, I literally thought it was just a label

Well, this was the meme I was gonna post anyway

Ok, idk why it's not loading

@LuxCo#7876 the more layers the better

@Wrath yeah, it looks like I can post outside that channel after all

This meme loaded too, but not the other. Probably just a glitch

Lmao

Ok, I think Discord is just bein gay about that other meme

Lmao just got this

Yee

@yellowsash can I get those actually?

@yellowsash I almost did, but I felt awkward

@LuxCo yes, but that's unfortunately easier said than done

@LuxCo ok how to get friends that are not remote?

Locals

@LuxCo how to lurk irl without being a creep?

Cuz that's what I do online lol

@MawLr no no, I was just meming cuz lux said to do the same thing that I do to get remote friends

Irl there's not really anywhere for me to lurk lol

I don't read taco (yet)

Based

Reminds me of a few local NO priests, as well as my TLM priests

All of the NO priests that based here (aside from a couple) are Fr. Youngtrads

@yellowsash yo her friend texted me too, apparently they're looking for her wallet so you could say a prayer for em that be great

@MawLr lol don't dabble in scandal

https://youtu.be/TbzkKY9eZJs

Not exactly a Jimmy Akin type of priest, but he talks about what I'm talking about

@MawLr

.avastar

@Petranadon so how's his RCIA going? Any heresies yet?

@Mac tíre iarain we should send the 13%

@MawLr if reading these articles scandalizes you then you should not be reading them at all. This doesn't mean that you pretend that there are no problems in the Church or the Vatican at all, but rather that you choose not to give them your attention unless there is something positive that you can do about it. It's about cultivating the virtue of Hope. Furthermore, you should spread scandal around needlessly for the sake of others around you.

Finally, we moderns are all too fixated on opinions of this or that. Valid opinion? Maybe, but what exactly does that mean? Well that just means that you have a view on something, and it's not entirely arbitrary. It's not anything special. Gossiping is a form of sharing your opinion, but we don't say they have a right to gossip (at least not morally).

@Mac tíre iarain Make Finland Colored Again

I agree, and if you try to take it all in then you will be scandalized. It can lead to despair even

Which is why we ought to avoid blackpills

Furthermore, we must not forget that even when our bishops or popes are morally or theologically compromised we are still under their authority which comes to them from God. And because of this relationship we have to them we own them a manner of respect. Far too often trads are willing to disrespect the bishops and the Pope and make excuses for it.

I know that you are right that president Fernández and others like him should not be given Communion not only because of the public sin which they continue to profess (which ought to bar them from Communion) but also because of the scandal it will cause for those weak in the faith. But are you helping anyone by spreading the scandal? My inclination is that you are not helping many people at all, and in fact may be hurting them because either they will think it is morally acceptable to do as Pres. Fernández, or because they will be harmed in the area of Hope.

Furthermore, there are also areas where you can point to in order to correct errors in what people think about Pope Francis's opinions, which are not nearly as Liberal as most people think, granted he is wishy-washy and vague often.

And downright wrong even

And by the way, I just want to say that I think we're now having a much more productive talk today than the other day, and I want to thank you for that.

@MawLr why did you post it though?

Also, like I had said the other night, I am talking more about trads in general than you specifically. In fact I am more concerned about the general than you specifically because I don't want to be in any way judge of your own character. The reason I'm asking you why you posted the article at all is because I want to know why you posted it from your own perspective.

But to explain what I mean by spreading the scandal is simply that by sharing the article you are participating in it's circulation. And if you think that just because we're all mostly trads here means that we're not susceptible to scandal (though I don't believe you do) then you'd be mistaken; trads are often very susceptible to scandal and despair, especially when they are focused on the bad things in the Church.

Should the Pope be less vague about all this? Probably, but that's not likely going to change because of trads bitching like we are want to do. And quite honestly I don't think most trads online would stop bitching unless he turned into a perfect pope in their eyes. One need only look at how we purity spiral *without* any real authority.

I don't think I'd go that far against trads, although I do agree with you that often many trads care more about aesthetics than they really ought to. And I do agree with Fr. Chad Ripperger that the majority of trads are actually modernist.

Alright, I believe you that that is the reason you posted it, but you did post it in <#452069937305878530> which is why it looked like Pope-bash posting rather than a prompting for rational discussion.

Yes, abuse of the Holy Sacrament in any manner, but especially under the watch of those who should be protecting the Holy Sacrament, is a tragedy, and this should cause us sorrow and righteous anger. However I still don't think we should share the news of the abuse unless as a call to action - usually prayer.

The reason for this is of course to limit the reaches and spread of scandal, because every time we post these articles it is an invitation to scandal both for those who read them, but also for ourselves.

@Dasick what about it?

@Dasick the context for that was different from what it is today.

First, there was a full schism, unlike there is today. It would have been more like baring all Anglican Bishops from Catholic Cathedrals than baring morally corrupt Bishops.

Second, unlike during the Arian crisis our Bishops still retain their Episcopal authority, again because there is not a schism these days.

Not to mention that the context for each individual Arian barring is probably even more extreme than even that

@Daniil what's that graph for?