https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ps9I_XMYk

We're seeing Iran's chernobyl moment this weekend.

Whoa. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/uk-ambassador-iran-arrested-tehran-protest-rob-macaire-a9280116.html

they arrested the british ambassador.

"Right decision, wrong commander in chief." They won't give him a win.

he was terrorist santa clause

Soleimani's occupation, his role in the Iranian regime, was to organize Shia terrorist cells in Sunni countries with the objective of harrassing their opponents (namely, Saud, Israel, and America). Killing him is not equivalent to killing a head of state, it's equivalent to killing the head of an intelligence network.

Why does every Sunni country think Iran is trying to undermine their governments (other than because they are)

Obama didn't fix it. Trump is. Deal wiz it.

Bush Jr was stupid, Obama was feckless.

NO.

It is US soil, that's how embassys fucking work since for fucking ever

Who the fuck are you?

To answer your question tho, I'm Lyndon Johnson's grand nephew

You're not wrong about why they're there, but we're not leaving.

Because "your side fucking lost the election".

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might wanna get someone better than "the squad" to talk for ya

peacenik

Well when the day comes that Iran stops trying to topple the house of Saud, or our oilsands succeed in destroying opec, you might get your wish

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well, less shitty things

It's a very efficient strategy they had, using Shia-Sunni tensions to create Shia cells in sunni countries, since in Iran itself the religious state is at best tolerated.

that's why taking the guy out was so effective, it was basically an international cult of personality to fight a conflict their own people would at best be ambivalent about

and look at the results... An ambassador killed, his body paraded through the streets, his security officer left to die in a burning building

Remember Vile Rat

Hopefully this airliner incident results in changes. With their strongman dead, and the regime's legitimacy in doubt, perhaps Iran will throw the militarists under the bus

@Capitán Alatriste Ambassador Christopher Stevens, and intelligence officer Sean Smith (Vile Rat in EVE Online)

Stevens and his two bodyguards attempted to escape and were killed in his car

Smith remained behind to destroy materials and died in the fire

I'm more angry about Sean Smith frankly, I'd talked to him on Goonswarm Jabber maybe... a day before he died.

or wiki

"things that embassies do" shouldn't be something that needs to be explained for argument

Exactly. what gives us unilateral AUTHORITY is ability. period. Force is the root of all authority.

@Capitán Alatriste The nazis knew fashion. would sign up

thos uniforms...

not unlike Israel

You are the President Spook, how would you get out of Iraq?

and what would happen?

What would happen is that they'd move against israel and israel would nuke them.

@-5K- <-what he said

well, south korea is at war with north korea

but yes

we're not at war with iran.

we're not trying to start a war with iran

but they keep fucking poking us and will keep hitting our embassies throughout shia areas

but short of

yes.

Then Iran has a problem with the world

Nope.

Not even if they were in cuba (Fuck JFK)

but we are

@Fitzydog you have to understand that in the middle east it's not about nations. The nations we applied after WW1 don't really map well to the underlying reality. The reality is that there's the Sunnis, represented by Saud, and the Shia, largely represented by Iran.

because their shia millitias keep attacking it

We are liked. by the Sunnis

the shia hate us

done all you can do. good job

and a responsibility to leave in a way that doesn't create a disatablising power vaccum

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it's not okay for one country to say we shouldn't have embassies in all their neighbors

they attacked our embassy

and its only a base because they keep fucking attacking it

and we're not about to any time soon

yes and?

no. they can deal wiz it

America IS special.

or even to committ petty terrorism

they have no right to forment terror cells to attack our embassies in foreign countries beyond their own borders

If Iran doesn't want an American embassy, fine. But supplying people to attack ours in Iraq, is not okay.

if we disarmmed our "base" in Iraq, if we just had a normal embassy, they would still attack it and they would SUCCEED in killing people

Iran... is a failed state that defines itself by its hate of Sunni Arabs, Israel, and America

if we had no militaries there, they would still fuck with our shit

yep. it's useful recruiting. if you're a shia iraqi, you hate the sunnis, well, granpa Soleimeni will give you guns and explosives

to go fight the imperialist westerner laptogs of the sunnis

and you seem to be offended that you're a lapdog of the sunnis. that's fair

but we're still there

What would be GREAT, would be for the Iranian regime to ADMIT that it is hated by its own people, only manages to hang on to power by a campaign of hate against the Sunnis, and just abdicate

i think they could do it without going up against the wall,

but they won't

just, surrender control to the president. disband the revolutionary guard and abdicate

At the very least, what this whole plane shootdown has done, hopefully, is strengthened the civilian government against the militarists

we'll see how it plays out

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@Tero the problem is that people like Spook think that the original sin was still on America. that fifty years ago we should have let Soviet Russia take over the middle east.

yes, but we haven't QUITE returned to the status quo. we're inhibited from doing so by the existence of nuclear weapons.

civilization exists to facilitate war.

sometimes you need to break the dams to beat the krauts

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its like the dominos scene in V for Vendetta.

This again?

This is the international equivalent of that scene in the Simpsons... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZgtEdFAg3s

Like, no, do not kill your protesters.

well, a few more weeks of this and the problem may sort itself out. tehran may be in a full blown civil war

@Capitán Alatriste but, their top strong man is dead. they'll never be more vulnerable

The regime's urgency is driven, much like China's willingness to come to a deal, on a belief that Trump will be reelected

true, but can they withstand another 4 years of trump?

decades.

@Capitán Alatriste It began with the Bretton Woods agreement. The United States ran a policy of Deliberately bleeding our economy to jumpstart the economies of Germany and Japan to rebuild quickly in the face of communism.

But that policy became the NEW NORM.

and the norms of global trade and economics sicne the 1950s have shifted to a system where america was expected to bleed to boost the world.