I don't understand what you're trying to explain

Would it not say what socialism is, that it's a political ideology in the first setence, rather than the second?

Why does it say "range of economic and social systems", rather than "range of political systems"?

Socialism isn't an ideology

There's ideologies that are socialist

I'm right, I don't know what the fuck you're on about

Communism is an ideology, it's a type of socialism

A socialist ideology

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yes

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you honosexual

I was already on the server

you nigger

What about mutual AIDS

It's what black and gay people have

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we need communism

What's an oxymoron?

No, I mean

What thing here

is an oxymoron

How is it an oxymoron?

Syndicalism does not imply the absence of a state

But tbh I've heard anarchists say nationalism and anarchism are compatible

Mostly ancap retards

Nationalism requires a state

If you believe nationalist anarchism exists, please explain what nationalism is

It is upholding the culture of the nation, and promoting national interests, correct?

How does one do this without a state?

You can't

Nationalism requires a state

Marxism isn't atheist

Just marx saw religion as something that will fade away eventually

Marx didn't invent communism

He never outlined how a communist society would function

Hold on, I need to restart my computer, linux is being a nigger

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Marx didn't invent socialism

Again

Marxism isn't even a political ideology

The distinction shouldn't be Marx vs. Non-Marx

It should be market vs. non-market

All are based upon social ownership and oppose capitalism

But non-market socialism seeks to abolish money and the class system

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National Socialism isn't socialist

"its not marxist socialism"

"hitlers socialism was deeper"

Marxist definition?

"true socialism"

NOT TRUE SOCIALISM

@Dyno fuck you bitch

Socialism isn't really workers control of the means of production

It's more of a range of things

Based upon social ownership

Meaning public, collective, or co-operative ownership

I believe syndicalism would fall under co-operative ownership

Same with market socialism

Collective ownership would be society owning it as a whole

And public would be the state

But I'm not so sure what that's supposed to mean

So I don't know if the USSR would actually be socialist

Because it was "publically" owned

Unless there's a large difference between publically owned and state capitalism

Yeah

But not the means of achieving the society

Or how the society would function

That's more what Kropotkin did

Kinda

It's about the different theories to achieve it, rather than the end goal

Marxism Leninism is what we've seen happen for the most part

What is pre-marxian socialism? @Anglican

How is it different from social ownership socialism which is apparently a Marxian definition

I know there was socialism before marx

He didn't invent it

Socialism/communism would still exist even if Marx was never born

Right

Traps aren't gay

Just because there's a dick doesn't mean anything

The penis is feminine

because it's a feminine male

it's not gay if they're feminine

Okay but it's a feminine male

and the penis is feminine

Maybe it's a little gay

but that does not make the individual attracted to traps gay

they aren't gay

you nigger

a nibba?

Women belong in the kitchen

unless it's a trap

metrocop is a niggeth

traps > real women

I have to ask

Why is everyone in Poland so retarded? @National Trotskyist