If a serious economic collapse happen anything can happen

Fascism, communism, libertarian small government, all on the table

I don't care for the current system either

the EU is a cancer

I know, one of the few good things about them

Socialists aren't my top enemy, but they're up there

I don't think so, the best people in the sector are the best, simply because they'd get richer for their better services, something stifled currently by governments colluding with big business

I agree with your last point, but not on how to do it

A bigger socialist government is just as volnurable

True, but that's because they can buy power from the governments, shrink the governments in areas it's not needed and you get fair competition

No bailouts for one

The current system is fucked, we both agree

No fan of the neocons and neo libs

A lot of regulation is very positive for certain sectors though

If you agree those politicians are bought and paid for, they're not making it easier for new businesses

Take the high tax for private businesses for example

The average joe pays for it, the big business simply put their stuff in panama

What happens when a new company comes up, and agrees that he owns the company, he'll run it without the counsels and manages to get big.

What happens to that guy in your society?

Why not? It's his idea and he has people who consent to letting him keep it

The inequality now comes from that guy being taxed to high hell by government

It was implied, so they consent, what then?

Believe me. some people don't want the hassle of counsels and all that, a company is able to find enough people who will do with a higher wage and a stabler job(they have to invest less)

That's why socialist countries crack down on people who want to do their own thing

if there were no people who would want the new guy on block then it simply doesn't need to be banned

That doesn't make sense.

So there would be no reason to ban it because they wouldn't exist anyway right?

There'd be a point for the capitalist, he'll make more money and gets to do something he wants without the annoying counsel. and he'll always find workers because people will simply go work there, every society had that

Your second point, that simply means you'll ban people from owning their own business, that's something a business man would object to because it's his idea and 100% his risk if he fucks up

Ye, and that other country would be successful

less than if they were in the counsel and had their own stake in the company (what you want)

If it's a better system, then you don't need the state to force it

That's the point, capitalism won't force communist like companies to be banned today

because they simply don't work as well

Not murdering someone is vital to a stable state

means of production for every single person is not

If the last thing happens the business would go out of business

He'll lose all his money

can sustain but not thrive like a capitalism system

won't like what?

fined and sued by the people they harm

the people in charge of that socialist society would very much like that

yes it does, if someone damages you and they didn't say so at all you can sue them

laws still exist in a capitalist system

Yes it is

I'm not arguing ancap, even they have the nap

You can still sue people for doing you or your family harm

I'm not saying it's capitalistic only

Just that you can take on a company in capitalism

Most of the people in working class are happy with it (currently less thanks to neo liberalism)

Working class is mostly mad because of the welfare state and in my country the refugees sucking up their money

I don't think a lot of countries are truly capitalistic, sampuka

Most of what we have now is corporatism, I'm sure you'd agree

Singapore is a good example

very economically free

very rich for a small country

Two different thing to me, that's why i'm not happy with what we currently have

If it was I should be happy

not if the government can't give certain countries the upper hand

hardly defined but definitely what we have now

the socialists see this right, it's just the answer I'm not happy with from them

When the government bails out corporations with our money

When you need to be a part of some union before you can even have your business

not at all

libertarianism is small government, more freedom and capitalism

e have big government right now

Right now it is yes

bet they'd buy all sorts of goodies with the government there

Which is a freer capitalism

You can call it more or free, whatever

Government hinders capitalism, that's my issue

yes you can

When the government puts demands on free companies they decrease their freedom to operate how they want (within the law)

When a government privatizes a company you'd say the country got more capitalistic right

That is true and what we have now

Howver the governments adds all sorts of blockades on those companies (mostly smaller ones)

They've been doing it more and more, government hardly ever gets smaller, now we have big govermment

lol no

You can't start a new government

You can start a new business

The government is a different animal

Yes it is

more so than in any other system yes

more freedom for your business is more capitalistic

no you can't, not unless some other country sells you a part of their land completely

which they never will

not that hard, the freedom to persue capital in whatever way you want, as long as it complies with the law, lower taxes and less regulations have a positive effect on it

The people can become capitalists in a capitalist society

If you call it hoarded sources sure

I'm going in 5, too much on discord

There the state has the resources, they can change the law to suit them, a company in capitalism cannot make those laws

protected by the state

not to the same extent

And those companies could be replaced by newer companies if it was easier to start new companies

But the current system stands in the way with ridiculous regulations

I'll read that

Yeah those are no good, I don't talk to communists/socialists often, pretty fun

better than an echo chamber I sometimes go into\

Found it on /pol/, talked about leftypol in the thread, this discord was mentiones

Don't worry I don't agree with /pol/ often at all