it's reasonable to have copyright laws and expect to be able to get money for stuff you made

it's really stupid at times

I don't understand how it would be sin against yourself

can you explain

like there's a section in an examination of conscience that I have that addresses it

no

@Grengar that's presumption if you do it that way

that's presumption my dude

it's against the law though

just because it's digital doesn't mean that you have a right to use something they made without paying for it

But it's against the law

we have to follow the law

just because it's super easy to do doesn't mean it's okay

yeah guys f*ck following the law

we don't do that

we don't listen to the Church

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I deleted the stuff I had

I am no longer a hypocrite

lul

I think it's just taking the same style

I don't think its mocking it

maybe it is

because you are using the material without paying

like if it were anything other than digital content this would not be questionable

most of the time you don't even need it

that's part of it, yes

if anything, it should be avoided simply because it's illegal

yep

why would it be pathetic?

explain that

that's exactly why it's sinful

you aren't paying for it, even though you could

like it's reasonable to say that if I write a book that I should be able to get money for people reading it

it's not

Yes

That is perfectly okay

What are you even saying

you should pay for every type of media because you are paying the creators

You did take something though

I assume there's a price to buy whatever it is through legitimate means, correct?

then you are defrauding the creator of that money

regardless of whether they're rich as hell or whether it's fair or whether they care, they still deserve it

Did your friends make the music?

Because unless they did, it is a sin then

Yes

If you're doing it to avoid paying for it, and they obtained it illegally, yes

there is a ton of pirated stuff on youtube

Did the studio post it?

idk

but that doesn't change piracy

I'm not sure

Regardless

that doesn't change it for piracy

it's following the law dude

Is there a copyright on the mona lisa?

so you're saying we don't have to obey it because it's unenforceable

this is you right now <:clownpepe:550674767351644180> like dude they have a right to get paid for stuff they made, and again, it's the law and if anything you should just obey it because it's the law

we have to obey the law unless breaks the moral law

that would break the moral law

it's needed for life

what does that have to do with this again?

why do you feel the need to defend theft so much?

I see what you're saying

But how is copying digital material and using it a legal thing

You do not have a right to listen to music

Are you talking about like radio stations?

The default should be "im not entitled to this" and then you find evidence that you are allowed to have it.

Not start with "I want this and now I need to justify not taking it"

like what are the things people want to pirate

movies

music

programs

books

there's no reason why you deserve these things

And like 97% of countries recognize intellectual property

so if you are using their property, why would you be entitled to use it?

well, it's because they either said you could, or you paid for it

for the example of your friends music you of course can listen to it with your friend, and your friend can lend it to you

but when your friend lends it to you, then he's not using it anymore

this is how libraries work

they pay for each digital license

and if they don't have enough licenses someone has to wait

and radio stations pay to use it

Just because everyone does it doesn't mean that it's okay, and just because it's super easy, that also doesn't mean that it's okay

and with that example of water, water is something you are entitled to, you need it to live (and any such law would obviously be a sin to pass or make) so of course it's okay to still drink water

The only time when we are allowed to break the law is when it breaks the moral law

eg civil rights stuff

Again

it's theft, there are people who made the material, they created the intellectual property and you are not giving them what is due

and there could be cases like getting a book for school when you're super poor or something

but that doesn't change the morality of the act, merely the culpability

it is always wrong

<:really:602687746842165248> okay let's hear it

They came up with an idea

it's on a computer

Why shouldn't I just steal a book from the store? It's just a bunch of molecules arranged together

You are paying for the idea

There are three things you will need to show to convince me that it would be acceptable
>the people who made whatever it is you are downloading or using do not deserve to be paid
>it is alright to disobey the laws of your country saying that people who have created intellectual property have a right to control who can use that property
>You are entitled to listen to the music/play the game/etc by some reason

Did you copy it with their permission?

But you did not pay for that