@The Big Oof hmmm I'm not well acquainted with that particular ideology but it sounds like I should be. Does it have connection to Falangism, by chance? No?

ah, I see

hmmmm. see, I think that Left-Fascism would be defined by embracing economic position more closely associated with the traditional left. In general I see left-right dichotomy *strictly* in property terms - with social property given primacy in left-wing ideologies, and private property given primacy in right-wing ideologies

I think you have to edgelord it to make it into either the top-left corner of red quadrant, or the top-right corner of the blue quadrant

also

most people call movements that aren't leftist, "leftist"

the vast majority of political movements are centrist in nature

....

but they are like

anti-leftist

lmao

that's utterly ridiculous though

I mean I think its very hard to argue that Bernie Sanders is like a genuine leftist either

and yes

I agree

leftism is synonymous with socialism and its various schools of thought, whether that be communism, mutualism, anarchism, syndicalism, etc.

he isn't

no

he is a social democrat

now, social democrats *used* to be leftists

but they aren't anymore

haven't been for half a century

they used to want social ownership of means of production

but that was since then dropped

for example, I'd consider the Strasserists to be absolutely leftists, despite being national socialists, and this is due to the economic views of Otto Strasser

Hitlerists on the other hand were not leftists, but rightists, and this is due to the economic views of Hitler

it all comes down to the productive relations - is the basis of property social, or private?

that's not it actually

the idea is that people *produce* things jointly, and share in the jointly created prosperity

its not that we take from you what you've done for yourself

that's not the purpose of socialism at all

lmao

> boomer ancap

oh god its like the worst of all worlds

FDR was fake and gay

Jesus had some pretty socialisty takes, although it would be wrong to attribute to him a future system

looks pretty Marxian to me 😄

ChristBol is best form of Christianity

and it will be officially sanctioned in the coming Second Union of the Soviet peoples!

its applicable in christian society via the teachings of St. Marx and St. Engels

```Hate capitalism, not the capitalist```
- Saint Marx, in *Capital* 4:34 - 4:39

....wait what

citation needed

.....

so wait CIA mind experiment to create self-admitted homosexual communists? 🤔

FreshWholeMilk plays the 4D chess at a whole another level

mfw can't compete

mfw upgrade

> Now you're properly red

thas rite

oof

lmao is that legit

alt right is dumb and gay

just like the rest of the right

😁

not bait

but eternal truth

words of wisdom

take heed or leave

alt right itself is the ultimate bait 😁

top response

such intellectuel, much rigour

still breddy gay from the looks of it

fake too

😁

its obvious that communism is the superior ideology!

long live the Vanguard of Lenin and Marx!

except I'm not btfo'd in the slightest. you are allowing my accusations to go unopposed 😁

not a single counter argument was heard

not one

i reign supreme

more like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtSKZ7Yw0M

uh, no

more like

the best ideology

alt-right racial identitarianism is literally the most contrived ideology ever

pro-capitalist too

eww

that is, most people here are opposed to the private ownership of means of production? wew, wasn't aware that I'm surrounded by literal socialists! in that case....

**Салют, товарищи!**

so capitalism then

as I suspected

after all the economy is predicated there on private ownership of means of production

what you are proposing is some kind of right-wing version of social democracy

but still capitalism

the only non-capitalist movements are socialist ones, because socialists are the only people who reject private ownership of means of production. therefore yours is not in any way a movement skeptical of capitalism, merely a more mixed form of it

perhaps "moderate capitalism" would be a good term

"national capitalism" comes to mind too

well sure, I get that this is what you want. I just maintain that this in no way escapes the sphere of capitalism. indeed, "national capitalism" should be a good term - capitalism subjected to the *raison d'etat* of the nation

its grossly inferior to socialism though

a capitalist cannot be a socialist; nor vice versa. I'm not sure I follow what you are saying?

but this is nonsensical. the capitalists will wield the power in society, so long as capitalism is preserved. in no way will the nation as a whole have a say in how the resources are spent. this is in the final analysis only possible under socialist productive relations

except that the people that capitalism selects are, really by necessity, the people most willing to be ruthless in business....after all, under capitalist selection, the moral ones do not, in fact, raise to the top. the altruists, those looking for the good of their nation - but rather, those who seek to benefit and advance their own egoist interest

and further, so long as capitalism remains the primary mode of production, the state itself will be dependent upon the capitalist

after all,

it is the capitalist who provides service, owns infrastructure and distributes goods

the capitalist is the root of the corruption that takes hold in nations

and socialism is the cure

heh, no system is perfect, this much is true. but socialism beyond a shadow of a doubt serves a nation the best. its somewhat remarkable to me that so many nationalists are right-wingers, when left-nationalism would serve the nation they *claim* to love so much better

internationalism is obviously superior, but this has no bearing on the mistake that many nationalists do

oh China is not communist in the slightest, and I literally wish them to crash and burn to ashes. I harbour nothing but contempt for that nation

and yes, agreed, international capitalism can indeed go fuck itself

the problem with capitalism, of course, is that it *must become international* because it is inherent to the laws governing the growth and evolution of capitalism that it must expand