Christians don't deny the miracle-doing of God

at least the members of the Church

what does that mean?

faith and works

faith alone won't get you saved

Jesus was the literal manifestation of the Son on Earth, and He came here to establish the new testament. Of course He is going to perform amazing miracles. Miracles of this kind still happen from time to time, like Medjugorje, but they're definitely more rare.

is that of me to ask? ask Him

John 20:29

a hardened heart runs in the face of truth. have you read the Gospel?

you're now arguing something that i don't think you have an understanding of

i could explain it to you but i think @Eoppa would do a better job so i'll kindly ask him to

new testament was written in greek

the latin language itself isn't what makes it holiest

you don't understand the catholic position

eoppa

do you believe that the church has fallen out of divine grace?

do you think that novus ordo is less holy than the latin mass?

on what grounds?

didn't church hierarchy also declare novus ordo to be holy?

when did it become invalid

you're being a bit agressive here anon

you don't understand eoppa's positions

who makes up the current catholic hierarchy according to you @Eoppa

my man's phone charges in 2 minutes or less

bro

i have an android motorola

you don't understand catholic conceptions of infallability

when they say that the pope is infallable, it doesn't mean that literally whatever he says is ultimate truth

it means that the church is divinely guided just like the apostles were

he can

the thing that i don't understand here is how do you differentiate between infallible claims

and fallible ones

could you give me examples

or just the definitions themselves

bro gotta ask you one thing

who give a fuck about the political compass

is it really important where certain policies graph on a two dimensional square?

could you explain to me

when the current clergy became illegitimate

and by what action

this is what i don't get

and what decision there goes against catholic doctrine

@Maksim there are some illegitimate splinter catholic churches around today

how is salvation outside the church non-doctrinal?

when

it makes sense

what i'm talking about here are people who don't know Christ

Orthodox also believe that there is no salvation outside the church

but people who don't know and don't comprehend the Church can be saved

that's the ortho position

catholics believe that absolutely nobody outside the church can be saved

bro.......

stop being a lutheran

the bible you're using was compiled by people in the fourth century

was that not history?

how is that not history

how come

when people in history constructed our scripture

through divine grace

that's an oxymoron

anon, is the gospel of peter a legitimate document? or is it apocryphal?

no

lol what

the gospel of peter isn't in the bible

@Eoppa that's what i'm arguing this entire time

yes, God does

and God works through the Church

the Chruch compiled the Bible

then how do you hold the bible you have to be cannonical

where did jesus list you all the books of the bible?

irrational argument

you're dodging facts

the truth is knowledge, i can sound however i sound

not that

why we still need to repent and do good works to be saved

if jesus died for our sins

>There are things which cannot be reasoned with that require pure faith in

that's not true at all

it literally does anon

what part of the bible did God write if you're going to be like that?

tell me, which parts did God write

and which parts did men write

you're switching arguments now

anon i don't want to be insulting but you're being rather stubborn

the bible IS history

everything in the bible literally happened

the word of God is history

you're digging yourself into a hole here bro

might as well just trust what eoppa's saying

do you trust the biblical cannon?

what does that mean

do you believe that the bible you have right now is the word of God

how

how did they compile it then

bro

okay, so God worked through man?

no?

jesus Christ

then what happened

so God acted through them......