like jehovah's witnesses

that's why i put christians in quotations

and i said JWs

i know when mormonism came around they didn't identify as christians

@Deleted User the god you glorify isn't actually God

it's a demon posing as God

i believe you think you do

but you really don't

sure

you don't

i told you which doctrine is against god

Muhammad changes the doctrine constantly to satisfy himself and his army

did the ancient israelites marry multiple women?

why can regular muslims marry four women, but muhammad had between 9 and 11 wives?

some did, but this isn't presented as the epitome of morality

the prophets weren't perfect men, like muhammad supposedly is

solomon had like a thousand wives, but this isn't a good thing

you keep switching arguments here

this is the second time

i don't know exactly how rich he was when he died

what exactly are you responding to

if abdullah is uncomfortable with this being a 2v1, i think we should respect him

i'll let you take over if you really want

didn't mean that in a belittling tone

go on abdul

i claim he was demonically influenced. he doesn't have to express every single sin to be demonically influenced

how do you explain something like the satanic verses?

well of course, rejection of the divinity of Christ, and a corruption of the meaning of sin

in islamic theology sin is simply a deed, there's no deeper spirituality behind it

as you explaind with your opinion on muhammad and his wives

and muslims and their wives generally

you can act out any disgusting perversions with your wife

but because she is by law your wife, this makes it not sin

i mean sexually

i'm gonna go eat. still don't see how you can explain the practice of "pleasure marriage" with this

feel free to type it out and i'll answer later

@Abd-Allah did allah know what christians believe in?

sad

Quran 5:116

says that the trinity is made up of Jesus, God and Mary

the author of the quran literally didn't know what the trinity was

i kind of fear atheism

i don't have any arguments against it

no

i'm EO

eastern orthodox

1. i was born into it
2. from what i've seen seems much closer to the apostolic vision of christianity than roman catholicism

papal supremacy is one thing that i have to hand to romists that there are a lot of arguments for

but in general i feel as if orthodoxy is as close to original christianity as you can get

if not exactly the same thing

no, i'm orthodox catholic

you're thinking of oriental orthodox

miaphysites and monophysites

and nestorians

hm

i've skimmed through these positions

idk enough about religion to really argue this

guess they didn't think hard enough

>I'm saying the essence energy distinction puts forward a composition in God that is completely denounced by infallible doctrine, long before the schism

are you even sure that this belief is crucial to orthodoxy?

palamas lived in the 14th century

i really haven't looked into isichasm enough to defend it

don't think so

atheist arguments are usually idiocy

richard dawkins, who's basically considered a demi-God in the new-atheist community makes a complete fool of himself in his book

do you really think that "who created God" is an argument thought up by someone who thought his hardest about it?

yes there is

the movement is literally called neo atheism or new atheism

and the explanation is rather simple if you give it a minute or two and i don't even know how it doesn't hit your head

God is a being that exists outside the bounds of matter

lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism

what a silly argument from authority

i have to be an atheist to know about atheism?

trust me i was one in my edgy atheist phase like 4 years ago

loved watching neckbeard youtubers every day thinking i was smart

of course you can, that's a completely ridiculous assertion

do i have to eat shit to know it tastes bad?

you've only heard me refer to atheists once in your entire life

kind of a stretch to say i do it "whenever" i refer to them

because that was the stage at which the "skeptic" online community was at when i was into it, and i'm guessing it's still like that now

what about anthony flew, who has argued against christians for 50 years and at age 81 declared that God exists?

did he not think hard enough?

well if he spent half a century debating it i'm sure he did

you're free to read up on him before making assumptions

if you're the sort of guy that's not in the "stereotypical youtube skeptic" atheist community i'm astounded that you don't know who anthony flew is

this sort of arrogance is to be expected from someone who rejects God

alright, i'll give it to you

you're right and you thought harder than flew, who thought about it for 50 years and was one of the most promiment atheists of his era

Alexander Nevsky and Sartaq Khan. The two were blood brothers and Sartaq converted to Christianity because of it.

kind of true though

the bible is written by divinely influenced men

who were the first of the church

it's a stupid argument

God isn't limited by the onthological argument in the way the material universe is

why would He be

the entire point of the argument is that an external being was the first cause

i don't know how this flies over people's heads

based but in an ironic way

God does miracles all the time