I assume you mean 1890s-1920s stuff like gewehrs, mosins, and 1911s

for turn of the century

Yeah, that's a pretty good date range

I'm also a sucker for carbines in general, especially pistol caliber ones

i hate that old stuff, lol

Some day I'll realize my childhood misconceptions and build an M1 Carbine in .45 ACP

all those old 100 year old guns are all super beat up and super expensive, you can't really collect them all

my specialty is Cold War stuff

I love just about everything from World War 2- Present

thoughts on bolt actions?

what kind of bolt actions

@Somnio I don't mean to use, mechanically is what interests me

Much as I love the C96 I've basically accepted that even if I get a good one it's going to be a bit of a pain to use

why not get a norinco lookalike?

@Deleted User there is good bolt actions like lee enfields and mausers that feel like sex when you shoot them, and then there's Mosin Nagants which are as smooth as a cactus

SMLEs are sexy

@Deleted User I made a promise to do some other stuff before I get my FID

So all that's on hold for a while

good luck with your collection bane

I hope to have many one day 😃

You can get a lot of older guns pretty cheap if you look hard enough, lots were produced in high enough numbers to be plentiful today or are just not of interest to collectors

I think the real issue is all the oddball calibers

For modern stuff I still favor wood/metal or all metal guns

@Deleted User I'd love to see a modern take on a straight pull military rifle

The Mannlicher is pretty sexy

Yeah, something like that in aluminum or polymers in some large caliber would be cool

Or just that, but made now, honestly. Ruck Zucks are great, even after 100 years

I really want this tho

.45acp carbine 😍

my favorite gun is a Vepr 7.62x39 16" barrel btw
the dream guns that I plan on collecting are a PKM and SVD

@Deleted User I can't argue with that

@Somnio All soviet bloc?

how do I unlock the channels? I can't post any pictures

you gotta keep typing

or post it in <#383108664380227595>

I am a Polish and Russian collector currently so they are all soviet, yes

so as you can see, a Vepr is a civilian semi-auto version of an RPK machine gun. it has a shorter 16" barrel on it while the original RPK has a 23" barrel. it is a very very nice gun

Nice

How's the accuracy?

AKOU =/= Science but it is VERY accurate compared to standard AKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa2P83BbIOc

I think it has a lot to do with the thick RPK barrel that Veprs have. they heat up slower than normal AKs so they retain the same POI for a longer amount of time

Yeah, I know the RPK has a beefed up barrel and some internal components are also strengthened for sustained fire

So the civilian version retains those features?

yes, Veprs are RPKs with shortened barrels and semi-auto only

but 7.62x39 reaches maximum velocity out of a 16" barrel, so a 23" barrel RPK will have the same accuracy as a Vepr

Huh, didn't know that.

the only reason the RPK barrel is so long is to transfer heat even slower than usual for automatic fire and to fit the long underfolding bipod under the barrel as seen in the picture I posted

Vepr's are semi-auto only so even though it has a shorter barrel, you'll never heat it up like you would an RPK

Yeah, bipod's gotta be a decent size to get clearance for the 45 round mags

"70rd drums"

I've heard bad things about the drums

hahaha

I could talk about RPKs and Veprs all night long since Veprs are my favorite guns and I know them inside and out, lol

It must be nice living somewhere that doesn't ban importation of Russian and Chinese guns

when RPKs were first developed, they only had the 70rd drums. they developed 40rd magazines for them much later to increase reliability

the 40rd mag is very long, so when a Russian troop is prone in the dirt, they have to dig a hole for the magazine to sit comfortability in as the weapon can be stable on the bipod

I knew it!

It's that or crouch

Also seen a few guys fire with the bipod resting on a kneeling comrade

the RPK-74 has straighter 45rd mags so they have that problem even more

Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of

You familiar with the PSL, the DMR the Romanians developed from the RPK since they didn't get the Dragunov?

yeah I'm not interested in that thing, not even a little bit, lol

I'm not a Romanian collector, and there is a lot of problems with the PSL system

Ah, it seems intersting to me

I have a long barreled vepr chambered in .308. it is basically a PSL except higher quality and cheaper. the only thing going for the PSL is that it is a military collectible

Oh well

I've heard good things about it, but we're pretty starved of any decent AK derivatives here in the states

so the PSL is just an RPK receiver with AKM parts slapped onto it, chambered in 7.62x54R. it has a longer gas tube too

I dream of someday building the most accurate AK I can

Just because

it has a thin pencil barrel, thinner than an RPK or SVD barrel. So a PSL barrel heats up fast and shifts POI fast whereas my vepr and an SVD will outshoot a PSL every day of the week

So even a few rounds will make it off?

it varies by how hot it gets

metal bends and expands when it gets hot, the hotter it gets, the more inaccurate it will be, the more the POI will have shifted

if you want to build the most accurate AK in the world, Definitive Arms gives you really really tough competition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h224abV6PM

They modified a .308 Vepr (similar to what I own) and made it more accurate than an SVD

it's completely unreal how much high quality custom work they did to this Vepr

damn

I was thinking along the lines of taking a shitbox AKM and seeing what I could do with it, but that thing is impressive

an AKM is not the most accurate AK in the world, it's not even close. 7.62x39 out of a thin barrel just isnt accurate at all outside of 400 yards

Yeah, that's the idea

Doing as much as possible with the worst starting point possible

the most accurate AKs are long barrel Veprs in .308 or 30-06, IMI Galils in .308, and IWI Aces in .308

very high quality, very expensive non-traditional AKs

For me, the idea of lobbing 7.62x39 at 300ish yards with any accuracy is a decent achievement

I suck at shooting and I can hardly hit a 25 yard target

Gets better with practice

someday I wanna git gud scrub and take my .308 vepr to do long range shooting, but I need to get good first

It sucks I have a couple of nice long range .308s and they've never gone all the way before, not even wet panties

only 25 yard range so far

@Somnio
Stop wasting money on weapons and start wasting money on ammo

that's good advice for a non-collector

Wait for bulk ammo deals

Get a lot

Hey, CQB drills with full length rifles is something I respect