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just Came to argue
i figure rational skeptics will appreciate the challenge
Im a feminist libertarian
I think you mean mistake
ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME IS ALT-RIGHT
>kraut irl rn
so a cucK?
Me or kraut
ahh fuck, I guess we're alt right now
@JDM_WAAAT time to change the server name, the feminist has decreed it
this snowflake one even say, feminist decreed it
anyone actually have good arguments against feminism?
Feminism is cancer
I mean, we can start listing all the bad things caused by Feminism.
suffergettes later became supporters of fascism
Or we can just go with the latest Feminist nonsense.
Liking women = rape.
guy drinks, girl drinks, both have sex
feminist blames the guy for rape
T'was the alcohol that raped them both
Video I linked, no alcohol involved.
Simply a group of guys talking about women they find hot, it's the same as rape.
I know, I watch Bearing. It was just about more feminazi rhetoric.
Feminism is a supremacist ideology, that demands for women to be treated as superior to men, while claiming they're victims of everything.
The Prim Reaper made a recent video where she read fragments of her "Theory and Practice of Counseling and Psychotherapy" textbook, the part about Feminist Therapy.
huh can you link?
One of the most shocking things, it outright says, the mental health of the (female) patient has less priority than "advancing the cause."
That is, if you're a Feminist Therapist, that means, according to your "branch" of therapy, whenever making your patient worse helps your cause, you should do that.
Say, a woman comes in, thinks there's something wrong with her, because she can't deal with most people, is driving her family and friends away, etc. The therapist will say "don't worry, it's not you, you don't have to change. It's the PATRIARCHY! Here, take this 'KILL ALL MEN' sign and this pussy hat, let's go to a protest."
they shouldn't be allow to have a practice
no words <@&375351773528850442> ?
you must prove all these bad things you listed are the fault of feminism
the *burden* is on you
if you have a specific claim you want to investigate
go for it
What do you think is the cause then?
eat shit fistie splinters
MUH NOT REAL HUR HUR HUR
>show me an argument of why feminism is bad
>but that's not real feminism
its not tho
that was the entirty of <@&375351773528850442> argument
lol you can't just say anything you want is feminism
BUT ITS NOT THO
And you can't say it isn't.
"lol hitler was feminisms fault guys"
"that isn't feminism"
IS'T NOT REALL FEMINISM
i can daniel
the burden is on you to prove it is feminism
feminists were terrorists
prove feminism is good then
So a feminist activist acting in a certain way, or making a certain claim, isn't related to feminism?
prove it faggot
So you're arguing that feminism doesn't even exist.
🏅 for mental gynamstics
Because everything that feminism is, comes out of feminists acting or saying things.
lol feminism is just support for equal rights for women
that is what it is as an ideology
In what way does it support equal rights?
you claim "feminism is just support for equal rights for women"
Feminists wanting female prisons in Australia to be closed down because "it's too cruel to women", is that equality?
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I condemn those people?
Feminists wanting no due process to men accused of rape, while demanding no punishment to false accusations, is that equality?
prove this is something "feminists" want
Then we have to narrow down what YOU think feminism is.
i provided a definition
it's not needed
Wait, we can use dictionary definitions now?
I thought the whole "but that's not racism" argument invalidated all dictionaries.
I don't make that argument daniel
don't strawman me daniel.
don't true scotsman then
how about that?
no true scotsman doesn't mean what you think it means.
strawman doesn't mean what you think it means
I have qualified "feminism" as the same thing throughout this discussion
therefore: no true no true scotsman
Do you agree with the oxford dictionary definition of feminism? @méep
Alright. So you're an equal rights advocate
so you're really an egalitarian
or that lol
but "IMa feminist"
however: women are systematically disadvantaged in american society
fuck that shit
@méep So you don't agree with most people who call themselves feminist now?
so they can send 2 identical resumes
I lov e being able to sleep my way up the ladder
GEEZ I WISH MEN COULD DO THAT
Are you in favor of enforcing equality in these jobs?
@Durtle02 the burden would be on you to prove most feminists disagree with me i guess, I don't really care what "most people" think
oh fuck off
Because it looks like we'll have to fire quite a bit of women from comfy jobs.
@DanielKO nope, I am in favor of everyone acknowledging their biases, then it won't be a problem
Okay, so you don't want gender quotas?
let's force women into garbage collection and shitcleaning guys
If the majority of feminist were identified in modern day they would be classified as a anti male group
you do realize that the methodology for proving subconcious bias is very much flawed and has failed to be repeated in studies multiple times
subconcious bias is unscientifc horse shit
In their study, Moss-Racusin and her colleagues created a fictitious resume of an applicant for a lab manager position. Two versions of the resume were produced that varied in only one, very significant, detail: the name at the top. One applicant was named Jennifer and the other John. Moss-Racusin and her colleagues then asked STEM professors from across the country to assess the resume. Over one hundred biologists, chemists, and physicists at academic institutions agreed to do so. Each scientist was randomly assigned to review either Jennifer or John's resume.
Woman working at Argonne Labs
Woman working at Argonne Labs (Source: Argonne, Flickr, CC BY-NC-SA 2.0)
The results were surprising—they show that the decision makers did not evaluate the resume purely on its merits. Despite having the exact same qualifications and experience as John, Jennifer was perceived as significantly less competent. As a result, Jenifer experienced a number of disadvantages that would have hindered her career advancement if she were a real applicant. Because they perceived the female candidate as less competent, the scientists in the study were less willing to mentor Jennifer or to hire her as a lab manager. They also recommended paying her a lower salary. Jennifer was offered, on average, $4,000 per year (13%) less than John.
and they did this once
Is this a quote or a <#382984642300477444>
that proves everything
just a sample size of one
no need guys
How about this
you have to prove it first
Since when is beeing a veterinarian opresed
yes I did
they had a sample size of 100+
Wait a second, didn't Australia just try the whole "resumes can't have gender information", only to find that women got hired even less?
It is a hard proffesion
i.e. before, they were being hired for their vagina points.
They didn't give the same people both resumes because that would be obvious
different people will offer different salaries
@DanielKO australian government already was hiring women for falsely inflated reasons
innoveint through huh?
vagina hiring points aren't good
I'm not a fan
what ever you say
everyone should just become educated to remove their biases
So you'd rather them not have a job? /s
Well, then I don't see why you would call yourself feminist.
Because that's definitely not what's taught in Gender Studies departments.
of which I have provided a yet to be refuted source that it exists
@méep The quote said that they didn't give both resumes to one person, because of course they wouldn't, but, the problem is then that different people will offer different salaries to the applicant because they are different fucking people
how about your source sucks
is that good enough?
thus, it is a shit study
@meratrix individual quirks are factored out when you account for sample size dipshit
you wouldn't see replicable trends if it was just human error
Give us one example of discrimination you're fighting against.
you source is shit
um, no dipshit. It's still diferent people, and because the sample size is one fucking resume, it's worthless
you dickless knave
your source is not scientific at all
Let the grown ups talk, please.
@meratrix but they gave individual resumes to a multitude of people mowron
@méep Do you think eastern european (post commie) states are more imbalanced in regard of female scientists than the west?
yes, but it's still the same resume, so, they would need to give multiple pairs of one resume with two different names
that would be better
but you still have the problem of different people evaluating one half of each pair
No stay at home mums here
@meratrix individual human error is factored out when you repeat the process multiple times
this is science class 5th grade
it's fucking 125 Choose 1
what was the sample size?
125 people, choosing 2 results
there's a possible 7750 combinations
and a very poor margin of error
"The results were surprising—they show that the decision makers did not evaluate the resume purely on its merits. Despite having the exact same qualifications and experience as John"
you know everytime they say that
I want to know what the resume was
Also @méep, to have any inling of reliability in this study they would not only need multiple resumes but multiple fields as well
"Because they perceived the female candidate as less competent, the scientists in the study were less willing to mentor Jennifer or to hire her as a lab manager"
probably because girls won't take that extra step and go futher beyond
Link to the paper: http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.full.pdf
girls are **WAYYYY** less likely to go the extra mile
they'll do lagom and stop
@Deleted User Oh no now the whole "genders dont have natural tendencies" is going to come up
so the question is:
why the fuck would I hire someone who would do lagom, vs a person who would go above and beyond and do that extra crunch of work?
@méep doesn't know shit about economics and has never worked a day in its life
@Durtle02 yeah exactly, the "MUH genders dont have natural tendencies"
kek ~~They do tho :p~~
So one thing I noticed, Female faculty are less likely to recommend hiring more females.
And they don't want to mentor female hires.
I wonder why?
Well, you have to wonder, because it's not been investigated.
how fucking deceving
because "MUH power politics" ^4
it's only a difference of $4000 yet it looks huge in the graph
Look at that huge differ... oh, where's the zero?