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2017-12-16 03:50:21 UTC

just Came to argue

2017-12-16 03:50:32 UTC

i figure rational skeptics will appreciate the challenge

2017-12-16 03:50:45 UTC

Im a feminist libertarian

2017-12-16 03:51:13 UTC

well then consult with @✿ Mittens ✿

2017-12-16 03:51:49 UTC

>feminist libertarian
I think you mean mistake

2017-12-16 03:51:54 UTC

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Fight me

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ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME IS ALT-RIGHT

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

2017-12-16 03:52:25 UTC

>kraut irl rn

2017-12-16 03:52:44 UTC

so a cucK?

2017-12-16 03:53:00 UTC

Me or kraut

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/391438091895963648/unknown_7.png

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both

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nice awoos @radeon

2017-12-16 05:01:14 UTC

ahh fuck, I guess we're alt right now
@JDM_WAAAT time to change the server name, the feminist has decreed it

2017-12-16 05:01:22 UTC

lol

2017-12-16 05:01:23 UTC

kek

2017-12-16 05:01:26 UTC

yeah

2017-12-16 05:01:44 UTC

this snowflake one even say, feminist decreed it

2017-12-16 21:43:47 UTC

hahahahahahha fucking @méep is a <@&375351773528850442>

2017-12-16 22:12:06 UTC

anyone actually have good arguments against feminism?

2017-12-16 22:12:36 UTC

It's cancer.

2017-12-16 22:14:18 UTC

Feminism is cancer

2017-12-16 22:14:37 UTC

@radeon you up for a debate?

2017-12-16 22:15:24 UTC

I mean, we can start listing all the bad things caused by Feminism.

2017-12-16 22:15:35 UTC

the draft

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terrorism

2017-12-16 22:16:06 UTC

suffergettes later became supporters of fascism

2017-12-16 22:16:10 UTC

Or we can just go with the latest Feminist nonsense.

2017-12-16 22:17:07 UTC

Liking women = rape.

2017-12-16 22:17:59 UTC

guy drinks, girl drinks, both have sex

2017-12-16 22:18:10 UTC

feminist blames the guy for rape

2017-12-16 22:47:10 UTC

T'was the alcohol that raped them both

2017-12-16 22:47:35 UTC

lol

2017-12-16 22:48:06 UTC

Video I linked, no alcohol involved.

2017-12-16 22:48:19 UTC

Simply a group of guys talking about women they find hot, it's the same as rape.

2017-12-16 22:48:47 UTC

I know, I watch Bearing. It was just about more feminazi rhetoric.

2017-12-16 22:50:03 UTC

Feminism is a supremacist ideology, that demands for women to be treated as superior to men, while claiming they're victims of everything.

2017-12-16 22:53:16 UTC

kek

2017-12-16 22:53:32 UTC

The Prim Reaper made a recent video where she read fragments of her "Theory and Practice of Counseling and Psychotherapy" textbook, the part about Feminist Therapy.

2017-12-16 22:54:02 UTC

huh can you link?

2017-12-16 22:54:12 UTC

One of the most shocking things, it outright says, the mental health of the (female) patient has less priority than "advancing the cause."

2017-12-16 22:55:02 UTC

thanks

2017-12-16 22:55:04 UTC

wow

2017-12-16 22:55:05 UTC

That is, if you're a Feminist Therapist, that means, according to your "branch" of therapy, whenever making your patient worse helps your cause, you should do that.

2017-12-16 22:55:06 UTC

that's fucked

2017-12-16 22:56:13 UTC

Say, a woman comes in, thinks there's something wrong with her, because she can't deal with most people, is driving her family and friends away, etc. The therapist will say "don't worry, it's not you, you don't have to change. It's the PATRIARCHY! Here, take this 'KILL ALL MEN' sign and this pussy hat, let's go to a protest."

2017-12-16 23:00:06 UTC

they shouldn't be allow to have a practice

2017-12-16 23:00:17 UTC

no words <@&375351773528850442> ?

2017-12-16 23:00:50 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/391726396386312202/Screenshot_from_2017-12-16_21-00-35.png

2017-12-16 23:00:59 UTC

@Deleted User You really like to poke em with a stick

2017-12-16 23:02:22 UTC

you must prove all these bad things you listed are the fault of feminism

2017-12-16 23:02:31 UTC

the *burden* is on you

2017-12-16 23:02:41 UTC

if you have a specific claim you want to investigate

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go for it

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What do you think is the cause then?

2017-12-16 23:03:36 UTC

eat shit fistie splinters

2017-12-16 23:03:40 UTC

#NotRealFeminism ?

2017-12-16 23:03:49 UTC

MUH NOT REAL HUR HUR HUR

2017-12-16 23:04:11 UTC

@franti of course I like poking these degenerates with sticks

2017-12-16 23:04:20 UTC

fuck <@&375351773528850442>

2017-12-16 23:04:20 UTC

>show me an argument of why feminism is bad
>but that's not real feminism

2017-12-16 23:04:39 UTC

its not tho

2017-12-16 23:04:44 UTC

that was the entirty of <@&375351773528850442> argument

2017-12-16 23:04:49 UTC

lol you can't just say anything you want is feminism

2017-12-16 23:04:54 UTC

BUT ITS NOT THO

2017-12-16 23:04:57 UTC

And you can't say it isn't.

2017-12-16 23:04:57 UTC

"lol hitler was feminisms fault guys"

2017-12-16 23:05:01 UTC

"that isn't feminism"

2017-12-16 23:05:02 UTC

IS'T NOT REALL FEMINISM

2017-12-16 23:05:08 UTC

i can daniel

2017-12-16 23:05:10 UTC

I am

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the burden is on you to prove it is feminism

2017-12-16 23:05:17 UTC

feminists were terrorists

2017-12-16 23:05:22 UTC

and fascists

2017-12-16 23:05:40 UTC

prove feminism is good then

2017-12-16 23:05:41 UTC

So a feminist activist acting in a certain way, or making a certain claim, isn't related to feminism?

2017-12-16 23:05:43 UTC

prove it faggot

2017-12-16 23:05:56 UTC

So you're arguing that feminism doesn't even exist.

2017-12-16 23:06:01 UTC

🏅 for mental gynamstics

2017-12-16 23:06:11 UTC

Because everything that feminism is, comes out of feminists acting or saying things.

2017-12-16 23:06:21 UTC

lol feminism is just support for equal rights for women

2017-12-16 23:06:27 UTC

you claim

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that is what it is as an ideology

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prove it

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faggot

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In what way does it support equal rights?

2017-12-16 23:06:52 UTC

you claim "feminism is just support for equal rights for women"

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prove it

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you cunt

2017-12-16 23:07:03 UTC

Feminists wanting female prisons in Australia to be closed down because "it's too cruel to women", is that equality?

2017-12-16 23:07:08 UTC

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2017-12-16 23:07:37 UTC

@DanielKO those are just examples of bad feminists

2017-12-16 23:07:42 UTC

I condemn those people?

2017-12-16 23:07:49 UTC

Feminists wanting no due process to men accused of rape, while demanding no punishment to false accusations, is that equality?

2017-12-16 23:08:01 UTC

prove this is something "feminists" want

2017-12-16 23:08:02 UTC

Then we have to narrow down what YOU think feminism is.

2017-12-16 23:08:10 UTC

i provided a definition

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ok

2017-12-16 23:08:37 UTC

it's not needed

2017-12-16 23:08:46 UTC

Wait, we can use dictionary definitions now?

2017-12-16 23:09:00 UTC

I thought the whole "but that's not racism" argument invalidated all dictionaries.

2017-12-16 23:09:10 UTC

I don't make that argument daniel

2017-12-16 23:09:26 UTC

don't strawman me daniel.

2017-12-16 23:09:35 UTC

don't true scotsman then

2017-12-16 23:09:38 UTC

how about that?

2017-12-16 23:10:26 UTC

no true scotsman doesn't mean what you think it means.

2017-12-16 23:10:45 UTC

strawman doesn't mean what you think it means

2017-12-16 23:11:19 UTC

I have qualified "feminism" as the same thing throughout this discussion

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therefore: no true no true scotsman

2017-12-16 23:11:29 UTC

Do you agree with the oxford dictionary definition of feminism? @méep

2017-12-16 23:11:33 UTC

yes

2017-12-16 23:11:53 UTC

Alright. So you're an equal rights advocate

2017-12-16 23:12:01 UTC

so you're really an egalitarian

2017-12-16 23:12:20 UTC

or that lol

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but "IMa feminist"

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sure

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guysz

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however: women are systematically disadvantaged in american society

2017-12-16 23:12:57 UTC

ok

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how

2017-12-16 23:12:59 UTC

fuck that shit

2017-12-16 23:13:01 UTC

no

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prove it

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k

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@méep So you don't agree with most people who call themselves feminist now?

2017-12-16 23:13:13 UTC

so they can send 2 identical resumes

2017-12-16 23:13:20 UTC

I lov e being able to sleep my way up the ladder

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GEEZ I WISH MEN COULD DO THAT

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HIMMMMMMMMMM

2017-12-16 23:13:32 UTC

Are you in favor of enforcing equality in these jobs?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/391729589921120258/9-out-of-10-registered-nurses-are-female-1424184635.39-1844336.png

2017-12-16 23:13:44 UTC

@Durtle02 the burden would be on you to prove most feminists disagree with me i guess, I don't really care what "most people" think

2017-12-16 23:13:53 UTC

oh fuck off

2017-12-16 23:13:57 UTC

Because it looks like we'll have to fire quite a bit of women from comfy jobs.

2017-12-16 23:14:07 UTC

@DanielKO nope, I am in favor of everyone acknowledging their biases, then it won't be a problem

2017-12-16 23:14:21 UTC
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Okay, so you don't want gender quotas?

2017-12-16 23:14:50 UTC

let's force women into garbage collection and shitcleaning guys

2017-12-16 23:14:55 UTC

since

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If the majority of feminist were identified in modern day they would be classified as a anti male group

2017-12-16 23:14:57 UTC

muh equality

2017-12-16 23:14:58 UTC

you do realize that the methodology for proving subconcious bias is very much flawed and has failed to be repeated in studies multiple times

2017-12-16 23:15:17 UTC

subconcious bias is unscientifc horse shit

2017-12-16 23:15:23 UTC

In their study, Moss-Racusin and her colleagues created a fictitious resume of an applicant for a lab manager position. Two versions of the resume were produced that varied in only one, very significant, detail: the name at the top. One applicant was named Jennifer and the other John. Moss-Racusin and her colleagues then asked STEM professors from across the country to assess the resume. Over one hundred biologists, chemists, and physicists at academic institutions agreed to do so. Each scientist was randomly assigned to review either Jennifer or John's resume.

Woman working at Argonne Labs
Woman working at Argonne Labs (Source: Argonne, Flickr, CC BY-NC-SA 2.0)

The results were surprising—they show that the decision makers did not evaluate the resume purely on its merits. Despite having the exact same qualifications and experience as John, Jennifer was perceived as significantly less competent. As a result, Jenifer experienced a number of disadvantages that would have hindered her career advancement if she were a real applicant. Because they perceived the female candidate as less competent, the scientists in the study were less willing to mentor Jennifer or to hire her as a lab manager. They also recommended paying her a lower salary. Jennifer was offered, on average, $4,000 per year (13%) less than John.
http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2014/why-does-john-get-stem-job-rather-jennifer

2017-12-16 23:15:48 UTC

and they did this once

2017-12-16 23:15:50 UTC

Is this a quote or a <#382984642300477444>

2017-12-16 23:15:52 UTC

nice

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one study

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that proves everything

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just a sample size of one

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no need guys

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wow

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How about this

2017-12-16 23:16:22 UTC

@franti gender biases undoubtedly oppress everyone of all genders.

2017-12-16 23:16:31 UTC

you have to prove it first

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lol

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@meratrix did you read the quote you retard

2017-12-16 23:16:43 UTC

Since when is beeing a veterinarian opresed

2017-12-16 23:16:45 UTC

yes I did

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they had a sample size of 100+

2017-12-16 23:16:47 UTC

Wait a second, didn't Australia just try the whole "resumes can't have gender information", only to find that women got hired even less?

2017-12-16 23:16:57 UTC

It is a hard proffesion

2017-12-16 23:17:04 UTC

i.e. before, they were being hired for their vagina points.

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KEK

2017-12-16 23:17:12 UTC
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They didn't give the same people both resumes because that would be obvious

2017-12-16 23:17:17 UTC

guess what

2017-12-16 23:17:27 UTC

what about vagina point hirings @méep

2017-12-16 23:17:29 UTC

oh wait

2017-12-16 23:17:29 UTC

different people will offer different salaries

2017-12-16 23:17:32 UTC

@DanielKO australian government already was hiring women for falsely inflated reasons

2017-12-16 23:17:36 UTC
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innoveint through huh?

2017-12-16 23:17:41 UTC

@méep prove it then

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you fuck

2017-12-16 23:17:48 UTC

vagina hiring points aren't good

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I'm not a fan

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what ever you say

2017-12-16 23:18:09 UTC

everyone should just become educated to remove their biases

2017-12-16 23:18:09 UTC

So you'd rather them not have a job? /s

2017-12-16 23:18:11 UTC

Well, then I don't see why you would call yourself feminist.

2017-12-16 23:18:20 UTC

^

2017-12-16 23:18:24 UTC

@DanielKO because I want to fix gender discrimination

2017-12-16 23:18:35 UTC

Because that's definitely not what's taught in Gender Studies departments.

2017-12-16 23:18:36 UTC

of which I have provided a yet to be refuted source that it exists

2017-12-16 23:18:49 UTC

@méep The quote said that they didn't give both resumes to one person, because of course they wouldn't, but, the problem is then that different people will offer different salaries to the applicant because they are different fucking people

2017-12-16 23:18:54 UTC

how about your source sucks

2017-12-16 23:18:58 UTC

is that good enough?

2017-12-16 23:19:08 UTC

thus, it is a shit study

2017-12-16 23:19:26 UTC

@meratrix individual quirks are factored out when you account for sample size dipshit

2017-12-16 23:19:46 UTC

you wouldn't see replicable trends if it was just human error

2017-12-16 23:20:04 UTC

Give us one example of discrimination you're fighting against.

2017-12-16 23:20:05 UTC

you source is shit

2017-12-16 23:20:07 UTC

um, no dipshit. It's still diferent people, and because the sample size is one fucking resume, it's worthless

2017-12-16 23:20:09 UTC

period

2017-12-16 23:20:21 UTC

you dickless knave

2017-12-16 23:20:39 UTC

your source is not scientific at all

2017-12-16 23:20:52 UTC

Let the grown ups talk, please.

2017-12-16 23:21:06 UTC

@meratrix but they gave individual resumes to a multitude of people mowron

2017-12-16 23:21:26 UTC

@méep Do you think eastern european (post commie) states are more imbalanced in regard of female scientists than the west?

2017-12-16 23:21:38 UTC

yes, but it's still the same resume, so, they would need to give multiple pairs of one resume with two different names

2017-12-16 23:21:41 UTC

that would be better

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but you still have the problem of different people evaluating one half of each pair

2017-12-16 23:22:08 UTC

@franti I don't know about eastern europe

2017-12-16 23:22:50 UTC

mathematically his source is basically doing 125 C 1
@meratrix

2017-12-16 23:22:56 UTC

@méep We got more women into tech by forcing them.

2017-12-16 23:23:11 UTC

No stay at home mums here

2017-12-16 23:23:12 UTC

@meratrix individual human error is factored out when you repeat the process multiple times

2017-12-16 23:23:18 UTC

dude

2017-12-16 23:23:19 UTC

this is science class 5th grade

2017-12-16 23:23:24 UTC

it's fucking 125 Choose 1

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wait

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what was the sample size?

2017-12-16 23:25:51 UTC

125?

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👀

2017-12-16 23:25:57 UTC

lmao

2017-12-16 23:26:01 UTC

125

2017-12-16 23:26:35 UTC

125 people, choosing 2 results

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there's a possible 7750 combinations

2017-12-16 23:29:58 UTC

and a very poor margin of error

2017-12-16 23:30:31 UTC

"The results were surprising—they show that the decision makers did not evaluate the resume purely on its merits. Despite having the exact same qualifications and experience as John"

2017-12-16 23:30:37 UTC

you know everytime they say that

2017-12-16 23:30:47 UTC

I want to know what the resume was

2017-12-16 23:31:38 UTC

Also @méep, to have any inling of reliability in this study they would not only need multiple resumes but multiple fields as well

2017-12-16 23:31:52 UTC

"Because they perceived the female candidate as less competent, the scientists in the study were less willing to mentor Jennifer or to hire her as a lab manager"
probably because girls won't take that extra step and go futher beyond

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girls are **WAYYYY** less likely to go the extra mile

2017-12-16 23:32:27 UTC

they'll do lagom and stop

2017-12-16 23:32:48 UTC

@Deleted User Oh no now the whole "genders dont have natural tendencies" is going to come up

2017-12-16 23:32:52 UTC

so the question is:

2017-12-16 23:33:27 UTC

why the fuck would I hire someone who would do lagom, vs a person who would go above and beyond and do that extra crunch of work?

2017-12-16 23:33:35 UTC

^

2017-12-16 23:34:11 UTC

@méep doesn't know shit about economics and has never worked a day in its life

2017-12-16 23:34:49 UTC

@Durtle02 yeah exactly, the "MUH genders dont have natural tendencies"

2017-12-16 23:34:57 UTC

kek ~~They do tho :p~~

2017-12-16 23:35:13 UTC

So one thing I noticed, Female faculty are less likely to recommend hiring more females.

2017-12-16 23:36:06 UTC

And they don't want to mentor female hires.

2017-12-16 23:36:08 UTC

I wonder why?

2017-12-16 23:36:10 UTC

<:think_woke:378717098681171988>

2017-12-16 23:36:36 UTC

Well, you have to wonder, because it's not been investigated.

2017-12-16 23:36:38 UTC

how fucking deceving

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/391735402387472396/Untitled.png

2017-12-16 23:36:40 UTC

because "MUH power politics" ^4

2017-12-16 23:37:00 UTC

it's only a difference of $4000 yet it looks huge in the graph

2017-12-16 23:37:00 UTC

Look at that huge differ... oh, where's the zero?

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