purpose itself is the metaphysical enemy of freedom

Imagine a God having a "purpose"

It would completely obliterade his sense of unconditionality

It is more freeing to people to take choice away from them - bad choices, useless choices, choices they don't want.

Which is the basis for freedom

It is the highest achievement to realize the futility of choices

Think how people of all craft in the end limit their choices

I do. We're agreeing. I'm just making the policy argument because I don't trust people to come to the realization on their own

The Meaning of Freedom is heavely conflated, we have freedom in the sense that you talk about it namely spiritual freedom in other words being more free from ones animalic nature/subconscious or having acquired the skill to realise and eleminate ones biases from ones thinking and thereby achieving a "higher" sense of consciousness.

The danger is in people's realizations being founded on fleeting sensations

Which is always the truth the less there exists some sort of metaphysical order

@MK realization of ones spiritual unconditionality is the only meaningful freedom

put squarely, one can for example become unconditional by fully embracing the possibility of cessation of his physical existence at will

Then There is the sense of political freedom, having certain rights in other words the souvereign promises to restrict his own behaviour in some sense, for example free speech the state promises not to stop you from speaking your mind within common spaces

but again, refusing to ascribe to it the "ultimate meaning"

you can parse the word freedom however you want. I'm only talking about it in the colloquial sense of choices available to an individual

The leftist use freedom in the sense of being free from obligations/dutys while still getting the benefits

Yeah

i . e. Freedom from Duty

but the rightists will argue that More Choices = More Freedom

and that's what I'm objecting to

One must not under any circumstance give choices any inherent value

I've agreed with you this entire time @The Enlightened Shepherd

Other than allowing choices where choice fulfills a desired function

For example, pattern of making bad choices when given option, can be used to realize that an individual is a danger to himself and therefore to he group

Every higher power wants to limit the choices of it's subordinates, this is the basic law

The higher the power, the more choices and the greater the need for a "purpose" which will serve as a guiding light

Since multiplicity of choices always brings existential crisis of a sort

It's usually in peoples own interest. i limit my own choices because I am unhappy if I face endless meaningless choices

Same here

Freedom has naturally certain restrictions namely the physical ones obviously, but also other human beings have a natural genetically imprinted sense of justice, they realise when costs are externalized on them and will try to retaliate against you so those are natural limits to your behaviour too

I deleted some dozen plugins because I could spend days trying to figure out which instrument to use when making music

Limiting your options is a powerful strategy in modern times

"but also other human beings have a natural genetically imprinted sense of justice" most peoples sense of justice is their greater capability to abstractly conceive things, which results in them using themselves as a reference

these are the sort of people with whom you can have "good things"

Absolutely. Some clinical research also supports the notion that limited choices and limited resources also result in greater creativity and problem solving ability.

This does not apply to most

Presentation of choice and presentation of information is a major issue in policy discussions too.

Behind every choice in modern public dealings, lies some sort of tyrany

The Good effect of limited choices can really be seen within art, if you restrict the tools and the styles that one can use one has it offers a kind of tool to compare and assess artpieces based on the characters one has defined within such a framework

In modernity, choice itself is tyranny, becase bad choices prevail

Limitation of choice is freedom

and self-limitation the fullest freedom

Self-limitation is utilitarianism

Freedom is non-utilitarian, meaning, unconditional

It's free from every purpose and direction

This is of course, from purely philosophical point of view

From point of view of practicality, self-limitation can yield superior results where abundance of choices creates a sense of a lack of direction

http://www.amerika.org/politics/evil-hubristic-crowdists-gaslight-your-sense-of-inner-knowledge/

This reminded me of James J. Frazer's book, the golden bough

One of the most famous sources for "evolutionary" study of religion

Which nevertheless, willingly or not, was quite of a source for getting genuinely interested in spiritual matters

In exposing obviously, the central part that mortality plays in every kind of cult (though not making differentiations other than in the method of association) it's stunning how it didnt provide foundation to keep contemplating on the issue, but merely to remain confident in "rationality" which simply acknowledges death, but does not ponder

Golden Bough is excellent. Good primer for lots of Joseph Campbell's work. Reading article now.

What in science stands for "overcoming your insticts" in spiritual exploration can stand for the same kind of progress, but which does not lead towards conclusion that science suffices

btw i read only short version of the book, the thing is gargantuan in volume

I read it years ago. Agree that it served as diving board for some Jungian mythopoetic / spiritual pondering

I was smoking a lot of weed at the time

I am a genius

I figured out how to do brahmin diet even with inferior quality whey protein

first explain brahmin diet

I'm not sure I'm allowed to

in your case I am not certain I can't, but time will tell if I can

cryptic

LENTILS AND OKRA

ONLY FLATULENCE IS DISADVANTAGE

brahmin diet is NOT STEAK

i like lentils

I LIKE STEAK

NOT BURG

BUT BURRITOS ARE GOOD TOO

GUACAMOLE

CHEESE

steak once a week is good

It's okay. I'm not going to insist on an explanation

JALAPENOS

what about corned beef

boooooooooo

HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

steak is dalit

corned beef is intense dalit

I'm all keto these days. Not much red meat though.

whats dalit

keto is a meme and not scientific

has no advantage over caloric control and is worse long term because you can't keto diet forever

also encourages eating shit food, they will get heart disease and die

why cant we just eat preserved meat and tubers like normal folk

Taubes et al would disagree. I'm not keto forever. I cycle reasonable carbs back in once in a while. But low carb doesn't disagree with me.

whats keto

Caloric control isn't my issue.

Keto is the asian butler to green horneg

Hornet

preserved meat is dalit

eat it if you want, but you will die

meat is very simple

a "ketogenic" diet is a diet that is low in carbohydrates to the extend that the body begins producing ketone bodies for energy instead of relying on glucose

But what is dalit

who are you explaining this to UOC

Enlightened Shepherd

is it basically paleo

and why is it bad for the hearth

paleo

what

isnt everything we eat paleo bc its all like plants

and like fruits and like meats and cows n junk

There is a lot of argument about it. Paleo and Keto do seem to overlap since I think both would reject a lot of modern food and grains. But I don't think paleo has the same problem keto has with sugar. They are two different philosophies that from a distance look similar

But "keto" refers to a specific metabolic state that Paleo doesn't really consider

what everyone needs for good hearth is basically fat acids no ?

whih is basically dairy and fish

paleo is bs

as most of their calroies came from foraged food

and not meat

paleo is good guiding philosophy but should not be obeyed religiously

That would be a keto-friendly position. They and other low carb dieters argue that the diet should be roughly 70% fat and as little carbs as possible, especially as little refined carbs and sugar as possible.

humans are well adapted for eating grain

it's about not being afat fuck

and not eating

crap

i follow onision for tips on how to get a vegetarian body

grains are simply a chore

you eat a shitload of that and it's contribution is giving you the sensation of being full

some are better than other though

actually TES grains contain calories and you are retarded

buckwheat for example

no shit sherlock

the argument made by more literate dietary science people is that carbs interrupt the hormonal cycles of insulin and other weight regulation hormones, driving obesity and some bad health.

lol that's retarded

why is japan entirely skinny with 3% obesity if carbs make you fat

this is americanism

since i have no horses in this race how bout them yankees

better tell japan to stop eating rice to stop the obesity epidemic

china too

@Deleted User 57835c2c that's a good point that would need to be answered. But let me ask you this: why do men get bellies but women deposit fat on their hips and ass and tits?

and india

japanese eat from the plates he size of a palm and east mostly radioactive fish, some rice and some herbs

so IOW the calories matter, not the carbs. got it

americans eat from a back of a pickup truck

Exilarch you are such a sherlock

nk

no

wetbacks buy food from a truck to eat in a truck

well if it's calories and not carbs hten what is the fucking point of low carb

it's in the balance

most people eat more carb than they need

way more

people in the past ate more of it becaus they needed to work in the field all day and couldn't affor eating cow meat every week

so they ate food which contained lot of grains, dairy products, etc

they grew fruits that bore a lot of fruit with high nutritive value like figs for example

and stuff they can easily store

cherries

etc

@Deleted User 57835c2c my argument is not that it's calories. My argument is that food intake, among other factors, drives the body's hormonal state, which can result in dietary problems. Saying that "people get fat because they eat more calories than they burn" is true but meaningless. It's like saying "this room got crowded because more people entered than left." Why did that happen?

modern lifestyle, which includes so many hours of sitting in the chair

can benefit fromvery low carb diet

YOUR BODY DIGESTS EASILY BROKEN DOWN STUFF FIRST

IF YOU EAT A WHOLE BUNCH OF SUGAR, THE BODY WILL TAKE THAT UP AND DISCARD THE GOOD STUFF

even the hours when man does not sit in the chari today, contain very little activity

wait... so calories are overeaten because of dietary composition, not because of failing to quantify calories/portions?

how does that work?

eating a bowl of strawberries, 2 slices of hard chees and having a glass of milk

i brought a ham and cheese sandwich and fruit for lunch

will gain you less fat than eating 3 sandwiches

simple as that

BOTH OVEREATING AND COMPOSITION OF WHAT IS EATEN MATTER, IN MY VIEW

PEOPLE EAT TOO MUCH. THAT IS NOT THE NEWS.

THEY ALSO EAT THE WRONG STUFF.

too much bread usually is unnecessary

prozak I hear you are fat IRL and eat burritos and cheap beer

CARBS ARE KIND OF A BEAST BECAUSE SO MANY ARE REFINED WHEAT

EXACTLY

obesity used to be a sign of privlege but now its a sign of poorness

for modern needs, a slice of bread per meal max

BURRITOS AND CHEAP BEER, SOUNDS DELICIOUS!

@Deleted User 57835c2c when you begin to digest carbohydrates your body produces various hormones to effect certain processes like 1) removing sugar from the blood 2) storing excess energy in fat cells 3) telling the brain you are full etc. Those hormonal states can be either optimal for leanness, or not optimal for leanness. Part of that depends on what you eat. There are other factors like trauma depression etc. I can recommend you a book on the subject if you're interested or i can link you research papers but that will take me some time since I'm at work haha.

high carb diet is an agrarian diet

I'm not arguing that fatties aren't responsible for being fat. It's just a little more complicated

a diet where you eat one meal and work for hours in the field

dr exilarch

phd in kek

Okay well as a medical doctor, you know better than I do that field specialization means you don't have to know anything about human nutrition lol

I don't have to, but I elect to

studies showing calories matter for weight change more than macros stack up like a mountain

p.e taught us the food pyramid

what natty vs non natty BBers do is also studied

my understanding is that calorie restrictive diets are well known to fail at regulating obesity over the mid- and long-terms

autistic dietary theories incorporated

diet = feeding your body what it needs

duh

but I haven't argued that calories don't matter. My point is just that the thermodynamic view of calories is meaningless

because it doesn't explain anything

good diet = avoiding excessive intake, malnutrition and intake of toxic components

but how many of u guys actually eat really healthily

Is any of this actually in practice

practical diet = a diet that is accustomed to your local supply, purchasing power, immediate needs and lifestyle

calorie restrictive diets fail in the medium and long term but not for no reason

it's because normal fucking retards cannot do it

it's because whatever percent of fatties cannot stick to it deserve to be fat

there is another reason also but I decline to express it

did yarfy tell you that

no

it's something I figured out myself and it was hard won knowledge and I'll only give it to the most good and respectful people

secondly yarfy and I are no longer associated, I study the vedas independently now

i think that to some people hunger appears in a diabolical fashion

it happened to me that i stay up late many times and feel intense hunger

but i always drinka glass of water andgo to bed

that's because you are a fat dalit

i never ever opened fridge and ate after dinner

how many calories do you eat fat boy

im 72 kg on 179 height btw

skinnyfat

if thatćs fat than the only nutritionaly correct place is auschwity

yeah, imaginefat

im skinny but i identify as fat lol

yarfy is retarded and so are his advices which he passed on to you

no, you are retarded

no your parents are retarded

you eat a diet of salted lard

since they obviously gave brith to such an imbecile creation

186cm / 81kg

i eat a diet which does not produce mental retardations such as in your case

yes you are a doctor and that is your achievement that you boast with

varna boy

as opposed to your achievement of...?

do you have any idea how dumb you actually are

do you think your profession leaves any kind of impression me at all

Exilarch are you really a doctor? what specialty?

My dad's a doctor

is that what impresses your neighbors

are they as dumb as you

so you have no superior achievement

compared to what

yours

consider that this is not my only achievement in life

but what are your superior achievements?

give me your best shot, other than succeeding in learing how to ead

dont let them see you sweat

take it easy

a lot in terms of quantity or ?

both

because you are a sad, shallow person

so what are your accomplishments again?

chronically irritated, compulsive

you run from a snetiment to sentiment

what were your accomplishments again?

you dont have any opiniions or convictions, you only resppond to irritations

like an animal

what were your accomplishments again?

it apperas that the best way to condition you is a rolled up newspaper

what were your accomplishments again?

since apparently that is how you conform