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purpose itself is the metaphysical enemy of freedom
Imagine a God having a "purpose"
It would completely obliterade his sense of unconditionality
It is more freeing to people to take choice away from them - bad choices, useless choices, choices they don't want.
Which is the basis for freedom
It is the highest achievement to realize the futility of choices
Think how people of all craft in the end limit their choices
I do. We're agreeing. I'm just making the policy argument because I don't trust people to come to the realization on their own
The Meaning of Freedom is heavely conflated, we have freedom in the sense that you talk about it namely spiritual freedom in other words being more free from ones animalic nature/subconscious or having acquired the skill to realise and eleminate ones biases from ones thinking and thereby achieving a "higher" sense of consciousness.
The danger is in people's realizations being founded on fleeting sensations
Which is always the truth the less there exists some sort of metaphysical order
@MK realization of ones spiritual unconditionality is the only meaningful freedom
put squarely, one can for example become unconditional by fully embracing the possibility of cessation of his physical existence at will
Then There is the sense of political freedom, having certain rights in other words the souvereign promises to restrict his own behaviour in some sense, for example free speech the state promises not to stop you from speaking your mind within common spaces
but again, refusing to ascribe to it the "ultimate meaning"
you can parse the word freedom however you want. I'm only talking about it in the colloquial sense of choices available to an individual
The leftist use freedom in the sense of being free from obligations/dutys while still getting the benefits
i . e. Freedom from Duty
but the rightists will argue that More Choices = More Freedom
and that's what I'm objecting to
One must not under any circumstance give choices any inherent value
Other than allowing choices where choice fulfills a desired function
For example, pattern of making bad choices when given option, can be used to realize that an individual is a danger to himself and therefore to he group
Every higher power wants to limit the choices of it's subordinates, this is the basic law
The higher the power, the more choices and the greater the need for a "purpose" which will serve as a guiding light
Since multiplicity of choices always brings existential crisis of a sort
It's usually in peoples own interest. i limit my own choices because I am unhappy if I face endless meaningless choices
Freedom has naturally certain restrictions namely the physical ones obviously, but also other human beings have a natural genetically imprinted sense of justice, they realise when costs are externalized on them and will try to retaliate against you so those are natural limits to your behaviour too
I deleted some dozen plugins because I could spend days trying to figure out which instrument to use when making music
Limiting your options is a powerful strategy in modern times
"but also other human beings have a natural genetically imprinted sense of justice" most peoples sense of justice is their greater capability to abstractly conceive things, which results in them using themselves as a reference
these are the sort of people with whom you can have "good things"
Absolutely. Some clinical research also supports the notion that limited choices and limited resources also result in greater creativity and problem solving ability.
This does not apply to most
Presentation of choice and presentation of information is a major issue in policy discussions too.
Behind every choice in modern public dealings, lies some sort of tyrany
The Good effect of limited choices can really be seen within art, if you restrict the tools and the styles that one can use one has it offers a kind of tool to compare and assess artpieces based on the characters one has defined within such a framework
In modernity, choice itself is tyranny, becase bad choices prevail
Limitation of choice is freedom
and self-limitation the fullest freedom
Self-limitation is utilitarianism
Freedom is non-utilitarian, meaning, unconditional
It's free from every purpose and direction
This is of course, from purely philosophical point of view
From point of view of practicality, self-limitation can yield superior results where abundance of choices creates a sense of a lack of direction
This reminded me of James J. Frazer's book, the golden bough
One of the most famous sources for "evolutionary" study of religion
Which nevertheless, willingly or not, was quite of a source for getting genuinely interested in spiritual matters
In exposing obviously, the central part that mortality plays in every kind of cult (though not making differentiations other than in the method of association) it's stunning how it didnt provide foundation to keep contemplating on the issue, but merely to remain confident in "rationality" which simply acknowledges death, but does not ponder
Golden Bough is excellent. Good primer for lots of Joseph Campbell's work. Reading article now.
What in science stands for "overcoming your insticts" in spiritual exploration can stand for the same kind of progress, but which does not lead towards conclusion that science suffices
btw i read only short version of the book, the thing is gargantuan in volume
I read it years ago. Agree that it served as diving board for some Jungian mythopoetic / spiritual pondering
I was smoking a lot of weed at the time
I am a genius
I figured out how to do brahmin diet even with inferior quality whey protein
first explain brahmin diet
I'm not sure I'm allowed to
in your case I am not certain I can't, but time will tell if I can
LENTILS AND OKRA
ONLY FLATULENCE IS DISADVANTAGE
brahmin diet is NOT STEAK
i like lentils
I LIKE STEAK
BUT BURRITOS ARE GOOD TOO
steak once a week is good
It's okay. I'm not going to insist on an explanation
what about corned beef
steak is dalit
corned beef is intense dalit
I'm all keto these days. Not much red meat though.
keto is a meme and not scientific
has no advantage over caloric control and is worse long term because you can't keto diet forever
also encourages eating shit food, they will get heart disease and die
why cant we just eat preserved meat and tubers like normal folk
Taubes et al would disagree. I'm not keto forever. I cycle reasonable carbs back in once in a while. But low carb doesn't disagree with me.
Caloric control isn't my issue.
Keto is the asian butler to green horneg
preserved meat is dalit
eat it if you want, but you will die
meat is very simple
a "ketogenic" diet is a diet that is low in carbohydrates to the extend that the body begins producing ketone bodies for energy instead of relying on glucose
But what is dalit
who are you explaining this to UOC
is it basically paleo
and why is it bad for the hearth
isnt everything we eat paleo bc its all like plants
and like fruits and like meats and cows n junk
There is a lot of argument about it. Paleo and Keto do seem to overlap since I think both would reject a lot of modern food and grains. But I don't think paleo has the same problem keto has with sugar. They are two different philosophies that from a distance look similar
But "keto" refers to a specific metabolic state that Paleo doesn't really consider
what everyone needs for good hearth is basically fat acids no ?
whih is basically dairy and fish
paleo is bs
as most of their calroies came from foraged food
and not meat
paleo is good guiding philosophy but should not be obeyed religiously
That would be a keto-friendly position. They and other low carb dieters argue that the diet should be roughly 70% fat and as little carbs as possible, especially as little refined carbs and sugar as possible.
humans are well adapted for eating grain
it's about not being afat fuck
and not eating
i follow onision for tips on how to get a vegetarian body
grains are simply a chore
you eat a shitload of that and it's contribution is giving you the sensation of being full
some are better than other though
actually TES grains contain calories and you are retarded
buckwheat for example
no shit sherlock
the argument made by more literate dietary science people is that carbs interrupt the hormonal cycles of insulin and other weight regulation hormones, driving obesity and some bad health.
lol that's retarded
why is japan entirely skinny with 3% obesity if carbs make you fat
this is americanism
since i have no horses in this race how bout them yankees
better tell japan to stop eating rice to stop the obesity epidemic
@Deleted User 57835c2c that's a good point that would need to be answered. But let me ask you this: why do men get bellies but women deposit fat on their hips and ass and tits?
japanese eat from the plates he size of a palm and east mostly radioactive fish, some rice and some herbs
so IOW the calories matter, not the carbs. got it
americans eat from a back of a pickup truck
Exilarch you are such a sherlock
wetbacks buy food from a truck to eat in a truck
well if it's calories and not carbs hten what is the fucking point of low carb
it's in the balance
most people eat more carb than they need
people in the past ate more of it becaus they needed to work in the field all day and couldn't affor eating cow meat every week
so they ate food which contained lot of grains, dairy products, etc
they grew fruits that bore a lot of fruit with high nutritive value like figs for example
and stuff they can easily store
@Deleted User 57835c2c my argument is not that it's calories. My argument is that food intake, among other factors, drives the body's hormonal state, which can result in dietary problems. Saying that "people get fat because they eat more calories than they burn" is true but meaningless. It's like saying "this room got crowded because more people entered than left." Why did that happen?
modern lifestyle, which includes so many hours of sitting in the chair
can benefit fromvery low carb diet
YOUR BODY DIGESTS EASILY BROKEN DOWN STUFF FIRST
IF YOU EAT A WHOLE BUNCH OF SUGAR, THE BODY WILL TAKE THAT UP AND DISCARD THE GOOD STUFF
even the hours when man does not sit in the chari today, contain very little activity
wait... so calories are overeaten because of dietary composition, not because of failing to quantify calories/portions?
how does that work?
eating a bowl of strawberries, 2 slices of hard chees and having a glass of milk
i brought a ham and cheese sandwich and fruit for lunch
will gain you less fat than eating 3 sandwiches
simple as that
BOTH OVEREATING AND COMPOSITION OF WHAT IS EATEN MATTER, IN MY VIEW
PEOPLE EAT TOO MUCH. THAT IS NOT THE NEWS.
THEY ALSO EAT THE WRONG STUFF.
too much bread usually is unnecessary
prozak I hear you are fat IRL and eat burritos and cheap beer
CARBS ARE KIND OF A BEAST BECAUSE SO MANY ARE REFINED WHEAT
obesity used to be a sign of privlege but now its a sign of poorness
for modern needs, a slice of bread per meal max
BURRITOS AND CHEAP BEER, SOUNDS DELICIOUS!
@Deleted User 57835c2c when you begin to digest carbohydrates your body produces various hormones to effect certain processes like 1) removing sugar from the blood 2) storing excess energy in fat cells 3) telling the brain you are full etc. Those hormonal states can be either optimal for leanness, or not optimal for leanness. Part of that depends on what you eat. There are other factors like trauma depression etc. I can recommend you a book on the subject if you're interested or i can link you research papers but that will take me some time since I'm at work haha.
high carb diet is an agrarian diet
I'm not arguing that fatties aren't responsible for being fat. It's just a little more complicated
a diet where you eat one meal and work for hours in the field
phd in kek
Okay well as a medical doctor, you know better than I do that field specialization means you don't have to know anything about human nutrition lol
I don't have to, but I elect to
studies showing calories matter for weight change more than macros stack up like a mountain
p.e taught us the food pyramid
what natty vs non natty BBers do is also studied
my understanding is that calorie restrictive diets are well known to fail at regulating obesity over the mid- and long-terms
autistic dietary theories incorporated
diet = feeding your body what it needs
but I haven't argued that calories don't matter. My point is just that the thermodynamic view of calories is meaningless
because it doesn't explain anything
good diet = avoiding excessive intake, malnutrition and intake of toxic components
but how many of u guys actually eat really healthily
Is any of this actually in practice
practical diet = a diet that is accustomed to your local supply, purchasing power, immediate needs and lifestyle
calorie restrictive diets fail in the medium and long term but not for no reason
it's because normal fucking retards cannot do it
it's because whatever percent of fatties cannot stick to it deserve to be fat
there is another reason also but I decline to express it
did yarfy tell you that
it's something I figured out myself and it was hard won knowledge and I'll only give it to the most good and respectful people
secondly yarfy and I are no longer associated, I study the vedas independently now
i think that to some people hunger appears in a diabolical fashion
it happened to me that i stay up late many times and feel intense hunger
but i always drinka glass of water andgo to bed
that's because you are a fat dalit
i never ever opened fridge and ate after dinner
how many calories do you eat fat boy
im 72 kg on 179 height btw
if thatćs fat than the only nutritionaly correct place is auschwity
im skinny but i identify as fat lol
yarfy is retarded and so are his advices which he passed on to you
no, you are retarded
no your parents are retarded
you eat a diet of salted lard
since they obviously gave brith to such an imbecile creation
186cm / 81kg
i eat a diet which does not produce mental retardations such as in your case
yes you are a doctor and that is your achievement that you boast with
as opposed to your achievement of...?
do you have any idea how dumb you actually are
do you think your profession leaves any kind of impression me at all
Exilarch are you really a doctor? what specialty?
My dad's a doctor
is that what impresses your neighbors
are they as dumb as you
so you have no superior achievement
compared to what
consider that this is not my only achievement in life
but what are your superior achievements?
give me your best shot, other than succeeding in learing how to ead
dont let them see you sweat
take it easy
a lot in terms of quantity or ?
because you are a sad, shallow person
so what are your accomplishments again?
chronically irritated, compulsive
you run from a snetiment to sentiment
what were your accomplishments again?
you dont have any opiniions or convictions, you only resppond to irritations
like an animal
what were your accomplishments again?
it apperas that the best way to condition you is a rolled up newspaper
what were your accomplishments again?
since apparently that is how you conform