Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd
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put squarely, one can for example become unconditional by fully embracing the possibility of cessation of his physical existence at will
Then There is the sense of political freedom, having certain rights in other words the souvereign promises to restrict his own behaviour in some sense, for example free speech the state promises not to stop you from speaking your mind within common spaces
but again, refusing to ascribe to it the "ultimate meaning"
you can parse the word freedom however you want. I'm only talking about it in the colloquial sense of choices available to an individual
The leftist use freedom in the sense of being free from obligations/dutys while still getting the benefits
Yeah
i . e. Freedom from Duty
but the rightists will argue that More Choices = More Freedom
and that's what I'm objecting to
One must not under any circumstance give choices any inherent value
I've agreed with you this entire time @The Enlightened Shepherd
Other than allowing choices where choice fulfills a desired function
For example, pattern of making bad choices when given option, can be used to realize that an individual is a danger to himself and therefore to he group
Every higher power wants to limit the choices of it's subordinates, this is the basic law
The higher the power, the more choices and the greater the need for a "purpose" which will serve as a guiding light
Since multiplicity of choices always brings existential crisis of a sort
It's usually in peoples own interest. i limit my own choices because I am unhappy if I face endless meaningless choices
Same here
Freedom has naturally certain restrictions namely the physical ones obviously, but also other human beings have a natural genetically imprinted sense of justice, they realise when costs are externalized on them and will try to retaliate against you so those are natural limits to your behaviour too
I deleted some dozen plugins because I could spend days trying to figure out which instrument to use when making music
"but also other human beings have a natural genetically imprinted sense of justice" most peoples sense of justice is their greater capability to abstractly conceive things, which results in them using themselves as a reference
these are the sort of people with whom you can have "good things"
Absolutely. Some clinical research also supports the notion that limited choices and limited resources also result in greater creativity and problem solving ability.
This does not apply to most
Presentation of choice and presentation of information is a major issue in policy discussions too.
Behind every choice in modern public dealings, lies some sort of tyrany
The Good effect of limited choices can really be seen within art, if you restrict the tools and the styles that one can use one has it offers a kind of tool to compare and assess artpieces based on the characters one has defined within such a framework
In modernity, choice itself is tyranny, becase bad choices prevail
Limitation of choice is freedom
and self-limitation the fullest freedom
Self-limitation is utilitarianism
Freedom is non-utilitarian, meaning, unconditional
It's free from every purpose and direction
This is of course, from purely philosophical point of view
From point of view of practicality, self-limitation can yield superior results where abundance of choices creates a sense of a lack of direction
This reminded me of James J. Frazer's book, the golden bough
One of the most famous sources for "evolutionary" study of religion
Which nevertheless, willingly or not, was quite of a source for getting genuinely interested in spiritual matters
In exposing obviously, the central part that mortality plays in every kind of cult (though not making differentiations other than in the method of association) it's stunning how it didnt provide foundation to keep contemplating on the issue, but merely to remain confident in "rationality" which simply acknowledges death, but does not ponder