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2017-04-01 21:15:11 UTC

Soviet Union was ironically, the last saving grace for Britain and France

2017-04-01 21:15:13 UTC

Britain, i don't know, but they didn't xant wxar too

2017-04-01 21:15:23 UTC

Because all the millions killed in the east would have had to fall in the west instead

2017-04-01 21:15:28 UTC

Soviet Union just fucked up Europe

2017-04-01 21:15:31 UTC

They even counted on this scenario

2017-04-01 21:15:51 UTC

Yes they didn't want war

2017-04-01 21:16:06 UTC

That's what kid says when he must go do a chore "I don't want tooooo"

2017-04-01 21:16:24 UTC

Reality is, consequences were clear

2017-04-01 21:16:36 UTC

Consequences of lack of proper response to another German agression

2017-04-01 21:17:05 UTC

i don't put the fault on them defense

2017-04-01 21:17:09 UTC

but the fact is

2017-04-01 21:17:20 UTC

It is well known that only complete fools get tricked with same trick twice (pre-emptive invasion through Belgium)

2017-04-01 21:17:21 UTC

soviet union fucked up europe

2017-04-01 21:17:31 UTC

Even greater and even more impossible fact

2017-04-01 21:17:32 UTC

in fact, the fault is hitler's

2017-04-01 21:17:51 UTC

is that British and France *planned in advance* that they will defend again in northern france and will repeat WW I

2017-04-01 21:17:56 UTC

Which is utterly horrific

2017-04-01 21:18:02 UTC

and deeper in fact, the fault is french's Traitรฉ de Versailles

2017-04-01 21:18:48 UTC

You pledge to repeat the same completely flawed strategy because last time it ended with your pyrrhic victory

2017-04-01 21:18:51 UTC

France didn't accept reality, tactitians were uncompetant

2017-04-01 21:18:55 UTC

And partake no pre-emptive action yourself

2017-04-01 21:19:10 UTC

It's par exellence the type of burreaucratic thinking common to Europeans

2017-04-01 21:19:15 UTC

"stick with what worked last time"

2017-04-01 21:19:29 UTC

Soviet Union is the result of all of that

2017-04-01 21:19:49 UTC

Hitler-Stalin pact is the result of French and British incompetence

2017-04-01 21:20:28 UTC

Which would have never happened have they only pledged to invade Germany as soon as it reoccuppied Rhineland, or mess with a neighbouring nation

2017-04-01 21:20:35 UTC

All the beggining is Napoleon

2017-04-01 21:20:46 UTC

like said @Salt

2017-04-01 21:20:58 UTC

They only had to pledge to do so, because Hitler would've never did all he did if he didn't observe complete lethargy

2017-04-01 21:21:46 UTC

Well, Napoleon was in many ways a better leader than what followed

2017-04-01 21:22:13 UTC

He was ambitious yes, but his "acts" were always backed up by rifles and boots

2017-04-01 21:22:38 UTC

He was distrustful of burreaucracy

2017-04-01 21:22:39 UTC

in Hearths of Iron 4, i invade earth cause it's cool

2017-04-01 21:22:53 UTC

in the real world, this is stupid

2017-04-01 21:22:57 UTC

Hitler paid too

2017-04-01 21:23:06 UTC

like many other empires

2017-04-01 21:23:15 UTC

Napoleon never really invaded countries just like that

2017-04-01 21:23:34 UTC

It was a complex, but not entirely outrageous series of consecutive vents

2017-04-01 21:23:36 UTC

events *

2017-04-01 21:23:48 UTC

He left all major monarchies intact

2017-04-01 21:24:00 UTC

In fact, he created some more, like Italy

2017-04-01 21:24:25 UTC

Napoleon wanted for himself dominant spot in Europe and he wasn't the first or last European to try to do so

2017-04-01 21:24:59 UTC

Napoleonic wars were mostly defensive, but the consequence was the spread of 1789's ideas

2017-04-01 21:25:28 UTC

I don't really believe that Napoleon was agent of these ideas

2017-04-01 21:25:33 UTC

Nor helped their proliferation

2017-04-01 21:25:46 UTC

he was not, he stopped the mess in France, but he had some of it

2017-04-01 21:25:54 UTC

His position towards revolution itself was entirely cynical

2017-04-01 21:26:45 UTC

Funny thing is, while Stalin commited many great errors in his domestic rule

2017-04-01 21:26:45 UTC

the human's rights was one of his prime ideas

2017-04-01 21:27:10 UTC

He was way more serious in his foreign policy

2017-04-01 21:27:45 UTC

Which was recognized by Hitler, who considered Stalin (he didnt directly say it) his greatest opponent

2017-04-01 21:27:55 UTC

Not only due to the immediacy of their conflict

2017-04-01 21:27:58 UTC

STALIN DID NOT SMOKE ROYAL YACHT

2017-04-01 21:28:01 UTC

Americans were more powrful

2017-04-01 21:28:03 UTC

IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER

2017-04-01 21:28:11 UTC

STALIN SMOKED "HERZEGOVINA FLOR"

2017-04-01 21:28:16 UTC

AND NEVER CLEANED HIS PIPES

2017-04-01 21:28:21 UTC

But because he understood that Stalin "owed nothing to demagogy" (Hitler's words)

2017-04-01 21:28:22 UTC

MR. MUNDUNGUS

2017-04-01 21:28:31 UTC

DEMAGOGY => DEMOTISM

2017-04-01 21:28:50 UTC

Stalin surely did make mistakes in his strategic thinking

2017-04-01 21:28:53 UTC

But more importantly

2017-04-01 21:28:56 UTC

He never forgave mistakes

2017-04-01 21:29:12 UTC

That's why he was Hitler's ultimate enemy

2017-04-01 21:29:17 UTC

And Britain's saving grace

2017-04-01 21:46:01 UTC

Studying all of medicine for a big test son

2017-04-01 21:46:04 UTC

soon

2017-04-01 21:57:09 UTC

I wonder, was the removal of the Turks in the Balkans a positive consequence of 1789 ideas or was it the result of something else?

2017-04-01 21:57:24 UTC

KIM PHILBY = STALIN'S REVENGE ON UK

2017-04-01 21:58:55 UTC

Removal of Turks was imminent

2017-04-01 21:59:03 UTC

In fact, it's miraculous how Turks persisted for so long

2017-04-01 21:59:09 UTC

Mostly thanks to British support

2017-04-01 21:59:19 UTC

And Austrian caution towards Russia

2017-04-01 21:59:31 UTC

But otherwise, Ottoman position was incredibly fragile and perilous

2017-04-01 21:59:44 UTC

They pesisted only thanks to cunning in diplomacy, in their good fashion

2017-04-01 22:00:28 UTC

The fact that it was defeated by Balkan League,and alliance of conscripted peasant armies, displayed how completely sub-standard was Ottoman force

2017-04-01 22:01:32 UTC

It's society, the Muslim population, was weakened, soft, dwelled in towns, markets and dealed solely with trade and craft

2017-04-01 22:01:56 UTC

It's officer corps drafted from that population, corrupt, ambitious, selfish and unpatriotic

2017-04-01 22:02:09 UTC

Turkey rallied only in WW I

2017-04-01 22:02:16 UTC

to become much better force

2017-04-01 22:02:29 UTC

did the British supplied equipments? at that times the Ottoman were mostly agrarians

2017-04-01 22:03:15 UTC

AFAIK Turks used mostly French and German equipment

2017-04-01 22:03:47 UTC

But they had considerable manpower, and long history of conflict and experienced officer corps

2017-04-01 22:30:35 UTC

How average Mormon looks like

2017-04-01 22:31:20 UTC

lame shirt that doesnt fit, on a lame physique, tucked into pants that dont fit, tied with a waist that doesnt fit

2017-04-01 22:31:50 UTC

face that has given up on anything else besides office and subscription to cable TV

2017-04-01 22:32:07 UTC

and betraying country

2017-04-01 22:43:37 UTC

I think that city living is anti-human, city-dwellers know nothing else than cities, and every cities of the world are the same, this is how you kill allegiance and you end up with males with gay haircuts and tight jeans, this is why I think infrastructures are more dangerous than ideology, they built themselves an universe removed from the world

2017-04-01 23:01:31 UTC

@Salt I agree and have been trying to get prozak to understand for years

2017-04-01 23:02:06 UTC

Westerners think their happiness is one purchase away

2017-04-01 23:02:12 UTC

That's what all boils down to

2017-04-01 23:03:13 UTC

No identity

2017-04-01 23:03:25 UTC

No real values or loyalties, only imagined stuff

2017-04-01 23:04:17 UTC

They imagine what they value but in reality are as water, dissapearing without trace facing any trial or test

2017-04-01 23:04:51 UTC

They refuse the only and most logical option that can improve them vastly

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