i think

then the system would be unreliable and it would be dependent on the whims of the people who are greedy, once again @Blood

some of these people who make their own things will not willingly give them up for free

@Composers Pef and I are agreeing on something - make @🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) a mod again, please

as such it all comes tumbling down

it REQUIRES a central system of distribution to funciton

@Extra Crispy right they wont need to give anything for free, when the others can produce for themselves

it DEMANDS it

then it literally just turns into bartering marketing all over again

remembers the people have the means for production

a man will not hand over his cows, sheep and milk just because jimbo on the other side of the nation says so

@Extra Crispy and thats fine

as such it will collapse

it'd be like an officer making an order only for the people he orders to just ignore him

but also in modern days there are collectives such as in latin america, that literally mean, we all work, we all eat, they contribute to growing the food, and they all eat

the military chain of command would explode

lol

but also in modern days there are collectives such as in latin america, that literally mean, we all work, we all eat, they contribute to growing the food, and they all eat@Extra Crispy

Is it hate on quatroking hour?

no

thats how socialism works

just because 'there are,' doesn't mean 'they all work effectively'

Shouldn't be.

I mean, I like Quatro

@Extra Crispy and its up to them to sort it out

He's a calm, level-headed, rational user and former moderator who knows how to adequately handle situations as they come up.

yes

i'm real as fuck

how many more times are you willing to try this system that keeps failing?

@CaptainDynamite 1400 users

it is literally dependent on a system that is inherently unstable or centralized

He's also good at accurately utilizing the necessary talking points and information in discussions with leftists.

@Extra Crispy decentralized actually

no

And is, in my opinion, a stable moderator.

Unlike some others.

Thanks @Extra Crispy for explaining all of this in more depth

if it is decentralized then there will be no logistics system

no prob

if it is centralized then it would have a logistics system

logistics as in to distribute the goods?

godammit i should be asleep.

if it had none, then the people would be left to handle their resources themselves, and as such it would not be a certainty that they'd even leave their hands

Where did you find that picture of Quatro's mother, @futurestorms?

do you know what logistics means?

@Fusion She gave me it last night.

it is effectively the transport of materials, be it goods or otherwise

yea

if there is no planned transportation of goods or otherwise, then one half of the nation could be filthy rich with food and the other side starving

they would transport as needed

and there'd be no way to transport that food

says you

ok, so how do you plan on transporting goods without a central planning authority?

@futurestorms You need to get yourself checked.

lol there is already examples of it being done, ratehr than just yourr wishful thinking

carry shit across a field with wagons?

You may be turning blue yourself.

railways would be impossible to run without planning or organization

lol no a dem gov, handlling it'

LOL

there is already examples of it

the 'dem gov' will not wish shit into place

human hands would need to operate a system to which they would work at transporting goods

This always comes down to the socialists seeing that the government is the better means or way for them to have thse goods distributed, and that's why it's always turned out that way

at the whims of the 'dem gub' telling them or not

@Extra Crispy right and so human hands would operate

@Fusion before i get myself wrecked.

Because it's quite obvious that there's no guarantee the workers are going to be efficient, able and 'equal' in undertaking it.

yes, but what would stop them from forming an autocracy and organizing as a group to just control who gets what for whatever reason?

the dem gov

they have no power over them though

the logistics are literally handling the clossest thing to money

um, you do realize there is still a military in these nations right

what, is a military going to stop them?

there are still laws

what's to stop the military from taking over then?

magic 'dem guv' wishes?

what is stopping the venezulan military from taking iver now?

sory bud

they're already being paid through food provided by the logistics

since there's no money

there are real world examples of this

what is stopping the venezulan military from taking over now?

yes, and none lasted more than 1 month without collapse or invasion

venezuela is in collapse

there is very little preventing their military from just taking over

when they stop paying them probably will be the moment it happens

but why is it in collpase, is it because "socialism" or because of the economic warfare and over the top sanctions being imposed by the u.s?