@futurestorms sound good

Term limits must be enacted. Drain the fucking swamp

sounds good

@Blood So, drain the swamp. Because that's basically what that is.

yea

i agree

not to mention weapons corporations earn more from the civilian market than they ever could from the military, largely because of how we americans buy individual guns, and the military buys them cheaply in bulk

@Blood Trump said this. You are ok with that?

yes

@futurestorms

the issue with corporations again falls back to corporations having more money to lobby than citizens

@Extra Crispy i mean it just sound like such an ineficient way to deal with the problem "the solution to lobbying is.....more lobbying!" how about no lobbying?

yes

and gov is just there for the people

are you telling me that the rich wouldn't lobby anyway regardless if it were legal or not?

true

that is the problem with, money = power

are you telling me that politicians wouldn't accept those free millions of dollars to 'just do this for us?'

money represents power, and removing money would just change how that power is represented

@CaptainDynamite @Juan Rico how much longer do you think you guys will stay on

until you go to sleep

uhhh

not much longer

whats up

@Extra Crispy yea, but it would remove in theory , just anybody being able to influence gov

if you removed money, then the power would simply be the people responsible for exchanging resources

just checking

ironically money represnts capital, and by removing capital you just make the next best thing the next representative - the amount of resources you have

yea, thats why socialist movements believe the workers own the product

When they don't.

who will distribute these 'products' when there is no central group to work the logistics?

well it prevents anyone taking away their resources that they produce

What resources?

food, tools, etc

ok, i'm done for tonight. lads, keep those chins up and reach for the stars.

@xX NegroSaki Samurai Xx throw me back on mod i got rused by based brit srry bby

anything really that is essential

any product that they produce

@🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) YAAAYYYYY!!!!!!

To use a common Soviet joke, they pretend to pay us, so we pretend to work.

lol

There are no products being produced

my point is that no matter what you try to do, there will be a requirement of organization to as you wish to, 'redistribute' these resources over a wide span of space

in effect, it will be easy to control

So glad Quatro is here!

@futurestorms me too

and if products do end up being produced, they are of drastically inferior quality to products produced in capitalist nations.

CLASSIC QUATRO!

as a consequence, it would fail, eventually until either the group realizes this, or the military (invading or otherwise) takes control

Good to see @🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) here. I thought you were voice chat mod, though.

@Extra Crispy which is why it will be made out of regional representitives elected by the people of those regions

democratic socialism@Extra Crispy

Again, the workers *never* own the means or production or the productive assests. It's never worked out this way, and it never can. Because the workers are not supposed to be the ones managing a business like that

And if the regional elections result in non-socialists being elected?

no i deafened pef because brit rused me into believing that pef was a full on nigger so pef throw me back into gold lol

Then socialism stops existing.

otto told me the whole thing tho and i guess i agree with em,

it doesnt matter what these representatives say, when these people can literally pay themselves (they dont have to go to anyone to get these resources that they are now responsible for distributing) to do what they like, regardless of what the 'representatives' want

Does anyone have the optimus prime facepaint fail?

@Fusion well fuck it, if thats what they elected

I mean, Pef is trying to pull all the stops to prevent me from regaining the admin role I had prior to the shoahing of CC

the main reason as to why the military doesn't coup in the US is because the generals are not the ones paying their soldiers

the logitsics people in these circumstances would

@🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) how much longer are you going to stay on discord?

@🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) as in today

like in life or today

oh I just woke up like an hour ago

@Extra Crispy so they are gonna get more bananas then they need? thats less of an incentinve to become corrupt then money that can buy anything

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I would at the least prefer to see @🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) back on the mod team. Never had any issues with him, either as a user or a moderator.

Was a chill guy.

probably another ten hours or so

Quatro for mod

if a group is responsible for distributing resources, they are in direct control of deciding who starves and who doesn't

@Composers you okay with giving quatro mod so he can be the janitor for the night

Read: Holodomor

^

@Extra Crispy exactly

exactly

Woah

it doesn't matter what some cucks in the middle of the field on the 4 corners of the nation demand 'democratically'

pretend cc is this server

honestly

This is basically CC 3.0

@Extra Crispy my point is what if the people that produce the goods are the ones that distribute them,

Quatro4mod @king

So

composers is dead

tbh

get him to respond

and i'll make you mod

hes in bed