You'd make a killing off the market if you believed that.

@sad slav it is. Without God you can't have objective ethics.

No way around it.

religion isn't necessary but everyone believes the Bullshit that they want

when you die, you go nowhere

nowhere

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 I don't have gold

You don't need to have gold to short it.

you can have objective ethics

a lot of atheists do

Ok how?

it's a part of the modern society

Show me how, I'd be glad to have objective ethics

Without the need of God

the religion brought those morals here, so it was necessary at the start

but then the morals integrated into the ''modern life''

Why if you refuse to believe in bullshit you have to being TAG as something?, like atheist, and Wwhy if I refuse to being robbed i have to being tag as ANCAP?

I'm nothing just free

No, God exists outside the universe and made moral values intrinsic to the universe.

Atheists have subjective moral values.

When I say objective I mean those moral values would exist independently of what any human believed.

i know

but the basis is always there

unless you are a sociopath, psychopath etc.

that's the main part integrated into living in the modern world, we learn it even without having to be religious

ok, prove me why the Holocaust would be objectively bad even if the Nazis succeeded in eliminating every enemy. (Thus every human on Earth believes the Holocaust was a good thing.)

objectively

the Holocaust wasn't objectively anything

Ok then you agree with me you can't have objective ethics without God?

i didn't say you can't

i said there had to be a religion to bring the morals in the first place

but now it is integrated into the society, not only for religious people

That is relative

Some musilms think that the terrorist attack to the world trade center it was a good thing, and they believe in god even more than christians

The example I just gave shows why. Every Nazi believes killing Jews is good, and that's integrated into society, not only for religious people.

The same problem happens with NAP

Why is NAP objectively good and Nazism objectively bad?

nothing is objectively good or bad

"nothing is objectively good or bad" Even this statement?

yes

Self destructing logic then

You are making a truth statement about nothing being objectively good or bad (including truth)

people don't do bad things just because they don't want others doing it to them

I don't punch you in the face cause i don't want to get punched in the face

randomly

that's all the "morals"

randomly, no

lmao of course the ancap thinks objective morality isnt true

how else is he supposed to justify fucking kids

I'm an AnCap too

i didn't justify that

ancap is code word for pedophile

sure, lad

I am definitely not a pedophile

you as a person, want your kids being raped?

I want to both sleep and stay awake

@sad slav the best way to approach this is to admit NAP is a preference. You prefer NAP over Nazism.

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 yes, a subjective one

NO, so that's why you don't rape kids, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF THING

is pure logic!

damn

he's probably talking about human trafficking without borders

The ultimate way to approach is to admit God exists

@Soyeb Close your eyes half way, have a quarter of a dream. Then you'll both be awake and asleep at the same time.

Thus objective ethics exist

@฿ⱤɆӾł₮ɆɆⱤ that's I tried last time... Didn't work

i have no problem with christian anarchy

i'm not

yeah, Christianity must go hand in hand with Anarchy. I would not want nihilist anarchy.

4 here

its 6:30 am on the east coast @Fsypro

Imagine staying up past 1am

Actually with goverment bad people can do crimes and GET AWAY more easy

imagine not waking up at 6 AM

^

What do you sleep until noon

the only problem i have with that is indoctrination, if you force religion upon people for the sake of morals, it goes against libertarian values

I love the smell of propane in the morning.

I wake up between 6-8am

but it is the best thing you can do

depending on the day

I make sure I wake up early every day, usually before dawn @฿ⱤɆӾł₮ɆɆⱤ

@sad slav By that definition literally anything you teach is indoctrination

24hrs. without sleeping xD

To a child

it is

You teach a child to eat with a fork, therefore indoctrination / immoral

i dont think that teaching objective truth is indoctrination

not really

When I use to go to college I use to have to wake up at 5:30am

that's subjective morals

is teaching libertarian values indoctrination

yes

^ what Ezra said

? ok then your society is dead in one generation

that was fun

Objective truth is not indoctrination

values and moral is bullshit, the same enviroment teach all of us how to participate

Like Genghis Khan?

@฿ⱤɆӾł₮ɆɆⱤ when I go to part time job I have to get up at 4:20am You lazy anglo