Let me find some stats to back that up

Not because of race, but because of culture. I, for one, would sooner want to live in an entirely non white neighborhood of those with western values, willing to conform to western culture, then a neighborhood of whites who subscribe to the harmful ideologies that these non european immigrants bring with them.

I mean, I don't know the exact statistics, but I haven't heard of any, say, German immigrants in the UK who support Islamic Law being instituted in islamic neighborhoods, which includes the stoning to death of gays and rape victims

That's fair enough but its a massive over generalisation to say that these non-European immigrants bring "harmful ideologies" with them

What you're ignoring here is that those harmful ideaologies are often the reason these people flee the countries

Along with instability, war, better economic opportunities and the rest of it

Also a gay person has never been stoned to death in the UK

I don't think it is at all, because, if you look at the statistics, a large portion of these violent crimes being committed are being committed by these specific immigrants.

They aren't though

And that brings us back to the stats I was just looking for so give me a min

The problem is, these immigrants are not fleeing their countries and then adapting to life in the UK, they actively want the UK to conform to them

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law and https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2016/12/over-40-percent-of-uk-muslims-support-aspects-of-sharia-law

Many claim that they want to "fully integrate" however they never do. On large, it seems as if these specific immigrants are trying to bring the same issues that had them flee their country to european countries

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

Despite, when grouped together (Blacks, asians, mixed, etc) only making up 40% or so of the UK population, each group has a higher rate of arrests per 1,000 people than whites.

Now, these do not refer *specifically* to those of an immigrant origin, however they obviously show there is a definitive cultural problem.

well we're talking about immigrant origin... If you look at people who aren't white then that includes millions of people born and raised in the UK when this discussion is focussed on immigration

It also shows that Black Males have the highest percentage of arrests per 1,000 people. Guess what group also happens to make up the majority of non EU migrants?

They don't make up the highest percentage of non EU migrants

The stats we just looked at showed that

Its indians first and Pakistanis second

Indians and Pakistanis...are black

And you should know that neither of those countries are in africa

lol

what?!

You don't need to be african to be"black"?

You think that indians are black?!?!

Jesus christ

What group do you think they go under then?

Indians are asians with brown skin

They are south asians

As india the country is in the continent of asia

So, according to you, the UK government considers Indians to be...asians?

Yes

Can you source that?

Asians is used differently in the UK and the US

My source is myself and any other British person you ever talk to

including @TheBritishGamer ❤🔑 (Meh)

So...you don't have a source

Aside from "I say so"

Generally in the UK we use the word asian to mean people from Asia

Mate this is my Langauge

And the way the word is used in the country that I have lived in all my life

Ok, so then finding a source to back you up should be easy, right?

I can probably find something online to back me up if I look now

Go for it

sure

here's one http://www.city-data.com/forum/united-kingdom/2389538-why-does-word-asian-have-very.html

here's another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asian

Here's another https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/153890/why-dont-americans-refer-to-indians-and-others-from-the-subcontinent-as-asian

Here's another https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1173226

I admit I was wrong then. Here in the states Asian does have an entirely different meaning

I know it does

And that's what I was trying to tell you

I just assumed you were using the british meaning since we were talking about britain

But back to the main discussion

Indians and Pakistani's are not black

they are brown skinned south Asians

Tag!

Someone tagged me

Was tagging you so you could back me up that the word asian in UK is used to mean pakistanis and indians as well as oriental people but we've established that now

Yeah

This guy's trying to say that indians and pakistanis are black

The UK definition of Asian includes the Subcontinent

The fuck?

BillcatToday at 5:08 PM
I admit I was wrong then. Here in the states Asian does have an entirely different meaning

Ah kk

What about the black thing though

Do you admit you were wrong about that too?

Bangolis and Pakistanis use the term Asians because they hate being called Indians

Imagine calling the Scots English

That's basically it

Or calling Croats serbian

Oof

Or calling Ukrainians Russians

No, because if the only difference is definition, then I'm still correct. Groups considered "Asian" in the UK still commit crime at a much higher rate then their white counterparts, which, in my mind, is proof there is a big cultural issue

But they don't...

But, they do. The data I linked literally proves it

Ok show me the data then

Except pakistanis and indians

Are not asians

18/1000 white men vs 23/1000 asian men, and 66/1000 black men in terms of arrests per 1,000 people https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

They are if we're using the definition that you would use in the Uk

That's black people

Not pakistanis and indians

Jesus we've been over this

I literally said asian men

"***BillcatToday at 5:14 PM
18/1000 white men vs 23/1000 asian men...**"

nvm I was looking at In 2017/18, Black people were over 3 times as likely to be arrested as White people

let me look at the article

You seem to do this quite a lot lemon

You just ignore what I say, see a word, and immediately jump to insult me or disagree...

GG @Billcat, you just advanced to level 6!

Meanwhile I am genuinely looking over each thing you say before I respond. Isn't that the point of a discussion?

Here it literally says Asians are arrested at a lower rate than the overall rate...

Overall rate vs white rate, and I'm specifically referring to the male rate

I said all of this above, had you bothered to read past the first line you'd have seen that...

Female Male
Ethnicity Arrest rate per 1,000 Number of arrests Arrest rate per 1,000 Number of arrests
All 4 102,919 22 595,818
Asian 2 3,321 23 42,955
Black 7 6,913 66 59,006
Mixed 6 3,538 34 20,267
White 3 80,632 18 425,148
Other inc Chinese 3 1,508 19 9,567
Unknown N/A* 7,007 N/A* 38,875

oh wait i can send screenshots now

Nvm