if we debated things on the merit of whether they existed before, literally every single advancement in civilization would not have happened

so let not

I would say precedent is a very solid determinant of if something will work or not, but fine, we can avoid that topic for now

How would you accomplish your ultimate goal

through technology

we've already seen where technology has allowed functioning decentralized organizations to thrive

think wikipedia, bittorrent, linux, ect ect

Certainly

so why couldnt it be used for governments too

where no government exists because the people self manage themselves through technology

I think that something like Bittorent which allows people to share files is different from the exercise of power

well duh, one's a file sharing site

but the fact is, it exists and thrives without leadership, without central authority, and its actually better for it

Sure

It's also used for sharing terrible content like child porn

true, but that is the price to pay

computers in general are used to share cp

should we ban computers?

thats a fallacy i often see, blaming the tool for the issue and not the core problem

As far as I'm concerned, giving up certain freedoms in exchange for other freedoms is a worthy trade

knives kill people, but they also prepare food

you assume that giving these freedoms up would solve the issue

thats what most people dont get, even if you track and watch everybody, people will still get through the cracks

no system is perfect

encryption is already out there, you can backdoor and break every social media and platform, hackers will just find others

its a game of infinite whackamole, and youre willing to sacrifice your freedoms for that loosing battle

Yes, but we still use encryption because it makes it harder for hackers

We still put locks on our doors even though it takes one rock to smash a window

We have security not because it'll stop every single criminal

It's a means of deterrence

It's the same reason we punish criminals

but does it work?

We want people to not want to commit crimes

most of the time, it doesnt

i mean, lets just look on the war on drugs for one example

"Most of the time"

The majority of people don't use illegal drugs

and do you really think thats because of its legality?

yea

i do

do *you* stay away from drugs because of its legality?

i don't but i know some people are less risky

No, I stay away from drugs because I'm deeply uncomfortable with intoxication

The point of the law isn't to catch every criminal

It's to make those who would otherwise do it consequence-free think again

and is that worth paying the price for your freedom?

and thats just when you have a system that works *right*

but no system is perfect

in fact, a lot of systems are horribly inefficient

tons of false positives

what happens to those people?

We have no freedoms only social contracts

whats a social contract?

A agreement between you and the government which grants you privileges in exchange for liberties given up

The set of reciprocal responsibilities each citizen obliges to another in a state

"I will not murder you if you don't murder me"

but i didnt enter into this agreement

And then, the "right to life" is created

You didn't voluntarily

Code do you think taxization is theft

how can it be a contract if i didnt agree?

yes ofcourse

Why are we taxed even though some people don't use the social benefits of the system

If you're using the land then you are bond by the laws and social contract of the government

muh roads

but hold on

where does the authority of the government come from?

The law

Violence

the people

the people?

really?

yes the society

lmao

how?

lol

`where does the authority of the government come from?`

they establish a state

Violence

Yes

The authority of government is derived from the fact that they maintain a functioning social order

It's the Mandate of Heaven

violence is the surpreme authority from which all other authorities derive

^

you cant maintain order without violence

you cant enforce law or right without violence

everything is based on violence. war is the ethos of the universe.

wait wait wait

first things first,

how else you gonna get things done

im just mind boggled rn

Why

i just came back but i saw the question

"you cant maintain order without violence"

wtf?

Yes

when you go to the supermarket, do you use violence to buy groceries?

do you use violence when you give someone a gift?

@Deleted User what prevents me from robbing the supermarket?