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there is no civilizations without some form of state controlled governance
Nothing is impossible
there are societies without them
Just very improbable
but not civilizations
Brb
a lot of things were very improbable before they existed. If this universe has shown us anything, is that improbable stuff happen all the time
I'm just curious about examples here
I can think of some societies off the top of my head that lacked central government
Medieval Ireland
The Icelandic Commonwealth
Some pre-Roman Germanic tribes
well the funny thing is, most attempts of creating *anything* other than our current system of state supported capitalism have been destabilized by existing superpowers, namely the USA
i dont care about whether ancom existed in history or not
people often go there in arguments and its completely pointless
if you only give value to the things that existed before in history, then you cant argue anything *but* the status quo
if we debated things on the merit of whether they existed before, literally every single advancement in civilization would not have happened
so let not
I would say precedent is a very solid determinant of if something will work or not, but fine, we can avoid that topic for now
How would you accomplish your ultimate goal
we've already seen where technology has allowed functioning decentralized organizations to thrive
think wikipedia, bittorrent, linux, ect ect
Certainly
so why couldnt it be used for governments too
where no government exists because the people self manage themselves through technology
I think that something like Bittorent which allows people to share files is different from the exercise of power
well duh, one's a file sharing site
but the fact is, it exists and thrives without leadership, without central authority, and its actually better for it
Sure
It's also used for sharing terrible content like child porn
true, but that is the price to pay
computers in general are used to share cp
should we ban computers?
thats a fallacy i often see, blaming the tool for the issue and not the core problem
As far as I'm concerned, giving up certain freedoms in exchange for other freedoms is a worthy trade
knives kill people, but they also prepare food
you assume that giving these freedoms up would solve the issue
thats what most people dont get, even if you track and watch everybody, people will still get through the cracks
no system is perfect
encryption is already out there, you can backdoor and break every social media and platform, hackers will just find others