What does not being in communion mean then?

Not celebrating their name during the Eucharist. That the church isn’t directly unified with the other

Lowercase c

They are still One Body

Let me find an article over this

“Isn’t directly unified with the other”
“United”
Wut?

There's been I think four schisms from Catholicism. Oriental Orthodox first, then Nestorians, then Eastern Orthodox, then Old Catholics. Most Nestorians came back and are now called Chaldean Catholics, the ones that remained separate split again into the Assyrian and Ancient Church of the East

There’s been at least four schisms from Orthodoxy, and it goes in that order, except replace Eastern Orthodox with Catholic

@Andrules just do your research online from a reputable source. I am not one to comment on this because I’m not sure how all of it works.

Add Old Believers and True Orthodoxy to that

Do all the orthodoxies believe the same things?

http://orthochristian.com/120593.html

Another name for Eastern Orthodox is Orthodox Catholic

Is the division really as simple and stupid as “but I want my spot in the power plays 😩” ?

Though there is a difference between Orthodox Catholic and Eastern Catholic

Catacomb Church separated from Russian, and True Russian separated also. Russian Orthodox in America separated at one time but has rejoined

Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church separated from them

But...

Do they all still believe in the same stuff, or is it just a “I don’t have to listen to you!” Political garbage thing?

I think there is some kinda problem between Russian and Ukrainian

Yeah for the most part that's it

Because I could consider orthodox “United” if they a have the same religious beliefs.

There's one of them that says the others were wrong to adopt the Gregorian calendar

But if there’s differences between the ones that split, based on religious grounds, then they aren’t united.

So they’re mad about a calendar choice? 🤣

And split?

Macedonian, two Ukrainians, French, Belarusian, Montenegrin churches all split too

Well that was just one for the calendar

The others have their own reasons

Well I have to sleep... continue answering me please. I’ll read in the morning.

Oriental Orthodox separated in 451 over a christological difference and elected their own papal successors, and were under the Patriarch of Alexandria, a lot have returned to full Catholic communion though

http://orthochristian.com/120593.html read this

@Andrules

I apologize if I have misled you in any way. I am still studying myself so please do your own research and don’t just take my word for it.

Get a load of this....
Laugh and angry reactions only please!

https://www.facebook.com/335448073234297/posts/2034546416657779/

@Deleted User @Andrules Russia just don't want to lose Ukraine from his power of influence

Bartholomew Patriarch of Constantinople made an ecumenical council to give independence to the church of Ukraine, while the church of Russia was against this

That happened a year ago

Two patriarchs disagree, who is right?

Well It's kinda hard to see who is right on this subject

Russia had the jurisdiction of Ukraine for a lot of years

for centuries tbh

but Ukraine is independent now and a country that is accepted

So it would made sense for them to have their own independent church

from the other side it Russians decision to do it

But what if they deviate?

The patriach of constantinople even if he did the ecumenical council he don't have the authority to do it

It's only if the Russian church accepts it the Ukraine would get independent

Even if the Bartholomew have the primacy of honor, he can't say the last word in that subject as it's not in his jurisdiction

so he don't have any direct authority on them

I'm off to write some tests in Uni cya later

and have a nice day

So the dispute between the orthodoxes isn’t theological, the dispute is over who should be in charge in certain places?

You could argue it’s theological I guess... But what I want to know is if there’s doctrinal/religious/spiritual disagreements or purely a dispute over authority.

There is some theological difference

But the difference in authority is a bigger issue between us

I know there is between ortho and catholic.

I mean between the orthobros.

No we dont have doctrinal differences

We have some heretics though that are excommunicated from everywhere like true orthodox and shit

Heretics are even excommunicated among them

@Deleted User who are True Orthodox

It was from the excommunicated church you saw in the wiki that you asked me

From what I remember they are going with the old calendar

and disregard everyone else as heretics

@Iakovos

In few words it's just a zealot movement or a cult

They'll regret the calendar change in 1000 years

wdym?

Cause they're on Julian

So in a thousand years they'll be all whacked out

I believe Julian was losing 13-14 days per year

They'll be like 35 years behind

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Julian is losing a day every 500 years

Oh

They'll be two days behind

Well they will be 16 days behind

So fuck them they gotta wait 16 more days for Christmas presents

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Both calenders converge in the 4000s BC

I'll be opening my new NINTENDO SIXTY FOOOOOOUUUUUUUR laughing out the window at them "hahaha niggers!"

Old Julian liturgical calendar @Ragnarok thats the calendar they use

I know

@Ragnarok so during the Eucharist ceremony the TLM priest will face away from the congregation?

Yes

Like this

In the Mass of Paul VI, aka Novus Ordo, the modern Mass, they stand on the other side of the altar, so the altar is between the priest and the congregation, so he's facing the crowd

I'd like to see all pews removed, but then it might turn into some kinda Pentecostal nigger shit with dancing around

That’s so true 🤣

Have tambourines in there and stuff

Google Charismatic Catholic

🤢

So the priest faces away until it’s time for the congregation to come and get their bread/cracker/wafer thing?

Uh

You mean the bread and wine

The *literal* Body and Blood of Christ

Oh lord...

That's why we kneel at the consecration

Yes I know it’s the body and blood of Christ.

But it’s bread that we see 🤣

Or a cracker or whatever it is. I’ve seen several kinds of things used.

Pinch off a piece from a loaf

Yeah that's when we all line up

Then I’ve seen a circular cracker looking thing.

It's wheat

I think the idea behind it is there's no crumbs

Oh I see

So what does your parish church do?

It has to be new, and for Latins it has to be unleavened

We do Novus Ordo

Appearance of the bread

Eastern Catholic and Eastern Orthodox use leavened bread

It looks like a little round disk, very thin

*BODY OF CHRIST* I mean

It looks almost like something made in a machine or artificial but they're actually really easy to make at home

Ah ok. So like a cracker then? Or is it soft like bread?

Like something in between

It won't *crunch* like a cracker, and there's very few crumbs

Also... why the requirement of being leavened or unleavened?

Oh. So probably more like a cookie? 🤔

From Catholic-Orthodox perspective it's literally the body of Christ, so that would be really shitty of us if we had crumbs everywhere and swept them on the floor and vacuumed them up and threw in the trash

I assume the leavening is related to the verses Remus sperged out on a few weeks ago.

No crumbs makes sense lol

In a technical sense, Mass, especially Easter, is a continuance of the Passover, and on Passover the Jews were to only eat unleavened bread

For the East, leavened bread symbolizes the resurrection

And deliberately *not* using the same type as the Passover is showing that we are part of the new covenant instead of the old one

Oh I see.

So I guess the eastern Catholics use unleavened bread then though? Because aren’t they a little different?

Or maybe I got that backwards....

Eastern Catholics use leavened bread like the Orthodox. 20 of the 23 ECs used to actually be Eastern or Oriental Orthodox

So they maintain the same rites

Yeah I remember you saying that.

I don’t really know the extent of what that means though 🤣

Mainly because I don’t know the difference in your rites.

@Iakovos so it’s like the TLM for cathobros then.

@Ragnarok just realized... why do you go to NO? Figured you for a TLM or bust kind of dude.

@Andrules TLM?

Traditional Latin mass is what I think it stands for.

Or Tridentine.

Orthodox don't have a 'modern mass'.

We have Divine Liturgy.

It has never changed, except variating on culture.

So Russians speak their languae.

NO is the “modern” mass from what I understand.

Greeks in America speak both Greek and English, so the service might be longer.

NO?

Novus ordo(sp?)

The SoL guys use those abbreviations all the time.

So I’m trying to learn their cathobro jargon.

Yeah

I'd go to TLM if it was close

Nearest one is 45 minutes away

Oh that figure lol

Wonder what my local one does 🤔

Found their website.

There’s what looks like a youth group picture. Out of the 40 or so kids, only 4 are white. The rest are all Hispanic.

The city school system is about the same make up too.

Odd. It doesn't say. Just gives times.

Sunday - 9AM English, Noon Spanish

Interesting... None of the catholic churches within driving distance say what mass they do. There's a St. Pius X church/chapel in Greensboro. I assume that's the TLM only guys.

SSPX is a different thing. They were schismatic, and now they are in kinda the same situation as the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Church

They do not accept Vatican II for instance

There was some excommunication in the 70s but lifted in 2009

Then there's the Sedevecantists who believe that the papal throne is vacant. Unlike the Orthodox, they do believe the position is legitimate, just that no one holds it currently

I think at some point in the future I will have to remove myself from this server in the future.

Also, @Andrules @Ragnarok , I don't see myself as ever getting married, though I long for a wife. I see marriage as a way to escape sin, because we become passionate about flesh. (Paul writes about this). He encourages to remain celibate.

In an innate sense, we sin before we marry, but marriage makes things pure and clean by making two one flesh. It's rare if you find a couple that hasn't lusted after one another before they marry.

So in this constant battle between flesh and spirit, I find myself losing my ability to flirt without apologizing, or to feel ashamed for being attracted to someone.

Back to removing myself from this server, there is just too much impure talk. Not to boast about my own cleanliness, but to *remove* myself *from* that uncleanliness.

Dude

You should relax

The three holiest men I know are my priest, my deacon, and my grandpa. I've heard two of the three make off color banter before

You're single, so it's acceptable to flirt as long as it doesn't go too far

Obviously don't PM people "show me dem tiddies" etc

Unless you plan to go live on Mount Athos, this is life and you better get used to it now

Lusting after your wife is what's supposed to happen.

It's how we make babies

Not when she's before your wife.

Yeah and you can't be sinless.

You're not Jesus

We are called to be sinless.

Even priests live in the world man

We are called *not to sin anymore*

Obviously this is impossible.

But we should make every effort.

Yeah, and we fail and can't not sin.

If we could, there would be no need for the sacrifice at the cross

You do more damage to yourself by setting unrealistic goals

That's what prayer and fasting is for.

Part of what draws us to each other is the physical lust.

You hold back your boner until your wedding night though.

You can do it bro

If there's 100 people on Sunday and one of them is a hot girl your age, are you gonna skip church? Nah dude. You got the other 99 faithful.

To be "in communion" is not just in communion with God and the Church, but the *people in the church*

A communion of the faithful

Poor Remus. Don't think you need to take a vow of hermit and live alone innawoods

Well I was thinking of a monastery.

In fact, after the priest or deacon preaches the homily, historically the uninitiated would leave, and that marked the end of the Mass of the Catechumens and beginning of the Communion of the Faithful. Because to be in communion means to be in a community.

I wouldn't be fit for a priesthood because I'd see an immodestly dressed woman while serving the Eucharist and lust after her, making myself sin gravely.

Most monasteries won't accept people like that either.

What I mean is, I would separate myself from that, and monasteries teach you to avoid that, right?

No

That's not what monastic life does

RIP I'm going to hell

That's not how this works my man

You ever heard of a "friar" before?

Friars are like monks, but they go out and do stuff.

Ordained friars even serve in parishes...my *bishop* is a friar

Monasteries have Internet dude

You just made me think of that scene in Dr. Strange

"What's this? My mantra?"
"No, it's the WiFi password. We are civilized"

The bishop is a friar, he has a Facebook acct

***REEEEEEEEEEEE***

Cloistered orders are not that common

Couple weeks ago I saw some nuns driving around

I'm just going to try and get confirmed in the Church.

And try and put as much time into it I can aside from work.

There are a few ladies my age at the Church, perhaps a few years younger than me, so underage. After a few years and they become of age, I might be able to talk to them, but probably not.

If I'm not married by 35-40, if God wills I live that long, I will look into the priesthood/monastery

You'll be fine talking to the ladies as long as you don't "rebuke them for their shorts"

Or having their knees showing

It's also much easier to bring a woman up to whatever standard you have, than to only go for the standard.

Really? I thought women are more resilient

Ex. If you only want a woman that wears dresses. You'll be okay going for a girl that wears long pants and through your relationship show her a dress is best.

That is true. But you make compromises for a marriage relationship.

Keep your head up Remus.

I'm going to bed, so don't do anything wild while I'm asleep.

Remember that you are asked *not to sin*, but you will sin. We all do. Even Jesus succumbed to wrath when he saw the Jewish merchants desecrating his father's temple :💰

Point is, unless we are talking about some *very serious sin*, which also constitutes a crime (like rape, murder, etc), it all can be forgiven if you are actually sorry and seek redemption.

To aspire not to sin, once, ever, is to aspire to be better than Jesus. Now the question ensues: "Do you believe you are better than Jesus?", if the answer is yes, well... You are wrong XD
If the answer is no, then there you go

That was righteous anger

We aren't commanded to never anger, just to be slow to anger

Sagif I thought you were agnostic

I am, but that doesnt prevent me from having knowledge on Christianity

Plus, Christianity works as an **amazing** moral compass

True, Ragnarok, true

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@wwezombiegod It is known that the devil only breeds wickedness, and out of the Anglican Church came the Anglo-Catholics.

@Deleted User thoughts

@Iakovos They need purification from the holy fire

No wonder Britain is screwed.

Wtf is that shit?

@Deleted User Modernization of the church

@Iakovos Anglo-Catholics are completely different than what that website describes. They are talking about small-c catholicism, not *the* Catholic Church. Actual Anglo-Catholics are those who are seeking reunification and are overwhelmingly conservative.

Those niggers have taken a noble name and perverted it just like they have everything else about the faith

You can see by what they say about the Church of England existing before Henry, which is an absolute bullshit lie

Per Pope Leo XIII their ordinations have been invalid since the 16th century which breaks apostolic succession. So they are all technically laypeople without valid holy orders.

Especially the women "priests"

@Ragnarok So they want to return with ecumenism ?