O wait the south wasnt so just as that.

It’s not just “dah rich pepol” of the south, it’s the north simply getting their way due to having more people and, in turn, more congressmen and senators than the South.

Also you dont need consent from everyone to ratify something

I dont see a problem

Tariffs of 1857, written by a Virginia senator, gave them lower tariffs than they'd seen in half a century

The south has become marginalized and almost entirely forgotten just as “flyover country” is almost always forgotten in politics.

There were no planes

Democrats controlled Congress until losing the House in 1859

And the south marginalized itself

63% of federal revenues were from tariffs in New York alone

Its production power and sophistication was far lower than the north

New York had what a population of 2-3 million?

Ehen the next biggest had 100k?

It’s because of population and the massive differences in what was considered desirable for them that resulted in conflict. The South was agrarian and relied on the major cash crops in order to make a suitable profit, since, unlike the North, there were fewer industries because of a lack of investment in the region.

Except slavery wasnt desirable

It was only for the rich

That and the fact the South has prime farming land and, well, the region becomes completely foreign and has different interests than urban areas like New York City and other Northern cities.

You are literally upset farmers arent as powerfull as businessmen

Are you a communist?

Note that nothing in their declarations of secession mentioned anything about tariffs.

Note that the problem wasn’t tariffs, but the fact that they’d had enough of being the punching bag of a highly bias system:

No

The South was forgotten and neglected.

Of a system they lost control of

In 1860, customs collected $53 million. 8% of that from southern ports.

Bit mah marginalization

They were marginal boots

Wow, for a bunch of Trump supporters, you really think that the South was evil because they seceded for the same reasons why the rust belt states and flyover country flipped to being red states in this election.

Just get over it. Its not even an argument.

Didnt save evil

Apples and oranges

Lincoln was the final straw of decades of being the bottom of the political ladder.

They werent however free from all wrongdoings

No, I think Davis was an evil bastard.

They had tons of their own

Bottom of the political ladder except for dominating Congress

Like Rags said they had congress less than 5 years prior

And Lincoln was a misguided person who ended up making things worse instead of better.

They werent oppressed for decades

The south seceded to keep slavery. They said so themselves.

And the south started the problem that Lincoln handled poorly

Ragnarok, if they “dominated congress,” as you say, then why the fuck do you think they had to make so many compromises throughout a short period of time?

Its their own fault

Because Jackson threatened military force

Because they got bought off

It’s because there was an imbalance of power between north and south just as, today, there is an imbalance of power between rural and urban.

There was a literal imbalance though

They werent even 10% of the country's production

Its like thinking people should treat dogs as complete equals

No, because the South was a minority region that had to be taken into consideration.

We aren’t a democracy.

We’re a republic.

Freeing slaves would give them actual power

It was taken into consideration

“Freeing slaves would give them actual power.”

Bullshit.

So you're for slavery?

Ok my dude

He's for slavery

It wouldn’t because, even if they freed all the slaves, they would still only have about one-fifth of the nation’s population.

Then they were marginal

Whats the problem?

The South was marginalized regardless of slavery.

Maybe the South should git gud

You sound like a socialist or communist right now

Instead of muh farms

At the beginning of the war, the north had 22 million people. The south had 9 million people.

Why doesnt everybody have the same power?

We dont bend over for iowa man

Thems the breaks

The problem is the same problem the rust belt is having and what flyover country has been having for years. If no one gives a shit about you, then things become worse off for you. If people only care about the big cities, then the rural areas become neglected and rot away.

That's including slaves

Then dont live in the Rust Belt

Move out

Yeah, meaning that they would still be a marginalized region.

They still are honestly

It wasn't about not giving a shit. It was about slavery. That's exactly what the Confederate leadership said, in every state, and in their constitution

“Just move out.”

Easier said than done.

No

Mexicans do it all the time

Retard

Just remember, only about 20-25% of people moved out of the Midwest during the dust bowl.

And starting a war because you feel marginaliz is ridiculous

No, it isn’t.

Why arent we liked?
>start war

Yeah it is lol

You cannot be a piss poor region and expect the rich ones to give money to you freely.

By that argument, the American Revolution is ridiculous because the colonies felt marginalized by the British Crown.

The vast majority of federal revenue was from tariffs. The south paid like 8% of the bill. I'm willing to bet more than 8% of federal budget was spent on them.

Colonies had 0 say

South just wasnt happy with theirs

And the south often had about as much say.

Uh let's see. Boston Massacre. Prohibition of public assembly. Quartering Act.

They wanted all say

It was a lot more than just taxes bro

3rd amendment is the real mvp my dudes

Yeah everyone forgets about that one

And the south seceded over much more than just slavery, you cretin.

Guys, the same way that now coal minning and truck driving arent jobs of the future, slavery and agriculture were not back then

3A is the reason Ehzek and I didn't live in your house and make your wife cook for us, wash our clothes and shit

But mostly slavery