I got my CIB from an IED...

We never got shot at and they wanted to hand out rewards...

I think the combat experience and proficiency of our junior NCOs makes up for the weaknesses of the junior enlisted. They aren't disciplined themselves but they have someone strong to rely on

Its easier to herd cats when they all have the same goal in mind

Of course keep in mind, several decades back they had Sgts with less than a year in

Ive never had anyone not follow orders even in exercises

The Marines had that terrible corporal recruiting thing for awhile

E5s are the least that should be recruiters

No that's not what I meant

You need at least 2 duty stations to even begin to know your shit

You mean instant e4?

They had a program in the late 80s, you could get corporal guaranteed. Not right off the bat but by a certain time

Ahh

Damn that sounds...not that bad

They just need Specialist

Army handled it the best imo

What we talking about before i start agreeing any more?

re-education

They need to get rid of specialist. And require merit for corporal, not time.

Corporal is merit

Huh

aight

I know but specialist is time and you get the same pay

You need to be promotable

Corporal is a place holder for E5

If you are fit to lead, then you get the money. If you're not fit to lead them you should not be getting paid the same as someone who has more responsibility

Tom you were muted yesterday

Specialists do lead

Then they need to be corporals

Having the two ranks is stupid

No it isnt

1st Sgt and Master Sgt

It absolutely is

Sgt Major and Cmd Sgt Mjr

But there is a difference in those

But spc and cpl, you have SPC team leaders and cpl team leaders, there's no point to that

And then you have spcs with no leadership position at all

There are Master Sgts and Sgt Mjrs with no leadership position at all

Thats why they are there

They are extra "staff"

I think you're missing the point

A master sgt is paid for his experience and the value he brings to the shop

The point is you are paying to keep the person around because of experience

Technical expertise etc

Spc without a leadership role is basically a pfc.

A Master Sgt without a leadership role is basically an SFC

I get other people heavily differentiate between e3 and e4

But spc are more experienced than pfc in the army on average

The different experience between e7 and e8 is much bigger than e3 and e4

Yes you're right

But it's only a year. We already have longevity raise for tis.

Making them SPC also ups their RCP

Then we should change rcp

@Rumguzzler #ItsOkayToBeFarAltRight

If alt right is far right, how far right is far alt right?

RCP is mostly retarded anyway.

SPC is there for mos's that are specialized and need replacing less

i guess far alt-right goes and creates the horseshoe? 🤣

Hell we already got rid of the super spcs

Used to have SPC7s

Like for instance a supply guy can have their worth for a long time without ever needing to lead

And its cheaper to pay them more to stay than it is to train a brand new guy

Thats why Army has SPC

Yeah we had them for translators and other shit. And now they have the regular promotion track. And every MOS has SPCs

So it's obsolete

As obsolete as cornet, ensign, subaltern etc

It isnt obsolete its just less useful in some mos

Then we should bring it back only for specific MOSs and eliminate it for most. Or come up with special pay like we do for medical officers, pilots, linguists etc

Except that most MOS would choose to keep it anyways. Its one of the biggest perks of choosing the army

If we get a new president and they lower the size maybe

But for how big the army is they need the E4 rank to retain people.

Otherwise they will have to restructure the payscale of every branch to make it right

We can resolve that by just giving more longevity pay for e3

The pay scale between branches already aren't right

We all use the same scale

There's e4s and e5s in the Navy doing what our e3s do. There's e3s in the Marines doing what army e6 does

Yes I know that but it's not applied equally across the board

It is when ther isnt a shortage and its working as intended

why cant i subscribe to infowars newsletter? Its not sending me the actviation email it says to look for

It's not working at all or doing anything except giving people more money when they could just get longevity raises instead of making the exact same money as someone else with more responsibility

There's Marine corporals leading squads. There's army specialists doing nothing.

The American Armed Forces being dysfunctional? Who would've guessed......

It's a clusterfuck

That's what I was trying to explain the Kekscernist but he apparently believes the military is perfect.

Haha

So did I when I signed up at 17

F

https://www.military.com/dodbuzz/2018/08/08/navy-secretary-cyber-officers-may-be-allowed-higher-ranks.html/amp

Your thoughts on this?

If they have really critical skills that are hard to replace

Doctors, vets, lawyers etc are already like that

Docs come in at captain if I remember right, lawyers at 1st lt and promote shortly after

Docs have came in at Captain since Korea right?

The army used to have a program where if you had experience and like two years of college you could come in as e4 or e5 in a few jobs. I think paramedics or LPNs could come in as e5 medics

College is E4 at entrance

Civilian acquired skills program

They did it for cooks too I think

And I think cops a LONG time ago

Its for everyone atm

Every MOS? So if I shoot people and go hiking a lot for two years I can get instant e5 11b?