good ideas don't always win, nor do bad ones tough

and produced more

russia should've pulled a paris commune

army materials

@Alpha Are you still with me on topic?

*please don't kill me tanki*

Or I lost you?

what was you question

Can you make a comparison of NK and USSR?

the louvre always looked better producing bullets than hanging paintings

from what I understand, north korea isn't m-l anymore

both is runned by communism and dictator ship.. And the difference is that USSr was more mighty and stronger

any of you guys see "the propaganda game"...very interesting movie about NK on Netflix

let's all follow blanqui

@Alpha Can you make more precise comparison?

then decentralise everything..... wait

lol

"paris commune in a nutshell"

it's kinda sad that bakunin got marxism so right

^

cause marxism didn't necessarily have to go that way

but bakunin understood the world well enough to understand the liklihood of it

there are no difference in my eyes @Firefly

*called it and suffered because of it*

*along with his ideology*

@Alpha Is one country bigger or another smaller?

yes

Than there are differences. What other differences do you know?

size and strenght

that

Is there more people in NK or USSR?

USSR i think.. but dude what is your point?

Point is to use abstractions to see the differences in the socialist countries. To have a better knowledge about them. Knowledge is necessary.

Just saying free market is the best known to man

If we stay on the topic we can proceed with getting knowledge about the subject that you picked.

If you are interested.

alan, just because the anglo-american capitalist empire is extremely powerful does not make it right

when it comes to political theory, might does not make right

but in raw politics, sometimes the opposite is the case

i dont like american capitalist

they have their own agenda

but thats the thing, what we read in the west about venezuela is inflected by capitalist propaganda

@Alpha We have to compare socialist countries with socialist. To know the differences in their systems.

we see the nation through the lens of their (capitalist) interests

agree

but the free market is necessary you can have socialism. but also free market

well I don't disagree with that necessarily

socialists usually call it "free association"

Lets not change the subject please as we didn't find any knowledge yet on the previous subject. Would you like to investigate on the differences of socialist states?

because "markets" are taken to imply

that there are still financial markets, ownership of stocks/bonds/commodities by indiviiduals

@Firefly i can do that later

my point is

@Alpha I'll wait.

I'll be here

For you.

that with pure socialism you cant go so far

Alan this piece by Schweickart is pretty close to what a good "transitional program" should be....and strictly speaking its a kind of market socialism

http://www.thenextsystem.org/economic-democracy/

but imho any socialist alternative has to address the problems with capitalism that schweickart brings up

in any case, there are going to be conflicts between "values" and "growth"

@Alpha When do you plan to get some knowledge on the socialist states?

Please show us your knowledge. Can you please make a comparison of them?

What about other socialist states? USSR, China?

g2g, nice chatting w u folks

How can we compare states like NK and Cuba to USSR and China? What is the difference between them?

@Alpha I don't see any information about government or economy. What are the hard numbers?

Do you know what Marx and all other communists say about small socialist states?

They can't exist.

It is our conclusion from 150 years ago.

And you come to the communist and ask why NK is in trouble?

Because NK can't exist as a socialist state.

Reality is that it can't exist even on paper.

Do you understand the situation?

I'm glad

Usually right wing start to sperg after first fail.

Don't be like that.

Ancapistan!

helicopter rides kills commies

U MAD CULTURAL MARXISTS?

FUCK THE CONSERVATIVES.

topkek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdrXhEC0m_8

sry, don't have mic just testing this out

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@Nyasafox hi comrade