However you may interpret your best brand of capitalism, the point was exploitation and the accumulation of capital.

yes

^this

From inclosure,

To colonialism,

To the modern order arising out of the 70s and early 2000s with neoliberalism

It has always been about accumulating capital.

And to do this, you need to exploit people

As they did

wait a minute

i think im being educated real quick

there is a slight difference between economics and capitalism is there?

I mean economics is the field of study

Capitalism is one type of economic system

As is communism

As is gift economy

and capitalism is economics' implications!

Bartering

oh, i get it!

that's why there is systems like syndicalism

Yes

because economics can be applied to not just capitalism!

ok, i get this now

Well, the saying would be the other way around

Capitalism =/= economics

Even prior to capitalism

We had economic systems

but isnt one of the main practices of capitalism the circulation of currency?

Yes, but circulation of currency is only an aspect of capitalism

Currency isnt intrinsic economics

so it does have something to do with economics

You dont have to have currency

it doesnt have to equal economics entirely

To have an economic system

but the implications of economics into capitalism is enough to say capitalism is an economic system

It doesnt equal it at all, it is literally just one type of economic syatem

Yes

corporations are also one of the main practices of capitalism, a way to expand power

Isn't capitalism the agreement of private property and to maintain contracts?

america is considered a big corporation, because that's what it was built upon

corruption doesnt change the fact that capitalism is still an economic system

And no muffin

It isnt

@Dark Chocolate Muffin kinda

its one of the PRACTICES

it doesnt have to be practiced

but private property does

Thats not exclusive to capitalism

You had private property under fuedalism

true

but just because one system had it, doesnt mean it cant apply to the other

it was exclusive under both

and it is now

both relied on it to expand power

and both relied on it to accumulate wealth

I think there were implications to both of these concepts working together.

^

No I mean that what capitalism is,

Is a relationship

of?

The use of capital,

I.e. wealth,

and currency

Or resources

O

Not currency

Or not exclusively currency

Just listen

Nobody going to argue against what capital is.

Well yes they are

Cause what you explained isnt it lol

xD Don't you privately own resources which could be traded for capital?

Its the use of wealth in any form, currency, resources, etc, as investment

what you are saying is that capitalism isnt an economic system due to how it was practiced in the years

No

Oi vey

Thats not what im saying lol

which is contradictory, because one of the main practices of capitalism was the distribution of currency

then what are you arguing

Go on O_o

he's probably afk

come back when he's done researching

Im not researching

Im drinking beer

But also

oh, is that why you cant get your points across straightforward?

Thats why I said no, thats not what I said

No?

I just started drinking a beer

So anyway

you know what, sorry, that was an ad homenem

continue

So what I mean is, capitalism is ONE economic system

It is not THE economic system

Thats it

and?

"an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."

And, you asked me if capitalism = economics

That means, no

i said capitalism has economic implications

It is not synonymous

With economics

It is an economic system

i never said that

One economic system

i said it has enough implications to call itself an economic system

yea

I fully understand it's an economic system O_o

i never said capitalism = economics

And thats what I understood you to be saying, thats why I said let me explain

So anyway

What capitalism is,

Also give me a sec so I can text someone

jesus christ

ok

anyways what's your political stance @Dark Chocolate Muffin

and yours @Comrade Skeltal

K anyway

So what capitalism is,

Is a relationship of investment

I.e. you take wealth

Wealth often stolen, or inherited from other people who stole it,

*distributed

And you invest it into resources like land

No, stolen

Let me finish

So you invest it into resources

These resources, after inclosure, when capitalism was founded,

Is what is now known as "the means of production"

The memes of production O_o

And in investing in these resources, to use capital, would be to say, pay someone a wage, to work said resources.

In paying them to do something, i.e. take wood and make chairs,

You are investing in their labour, and taking the chair with their added value of time and energy, then selling it.

You pay them their wage, you keep the excess profit they created via turning the wood into more than wood, a chair.

It is the relation of investment of wealth, CAPITAL

That we get the word, capitalism.

It isnt anything else

So its that simple k.

You dont necessarily need markets

You dont need anything else

Check mate leftists, we got scientists AND black people on our side. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274535531927568384/410620757731704856/unknown.png

i gtg

nice debate, you did educate me a little, but i still have a few beliefs that i'd rather keep simply because theyre factual @Comrade Skeltal

see ya

Wat.

Let me research into that story xD

That was apparently a quote xD

This seems like some crazy right wing view about the LGBT community

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Nigeria

Okay. They practice Shari'a law there -_-

i think its wrong to focus on how nigeria treats LGBT when they are treated much worse in the US and western europe

check your privledge shitlord

@Dark Chocolate Muffin Nigeria is one of the most batshit crazy places to live in.

@normal FAGGOT.

well dang guys i play a little bit of fortnite and my chat is spammed

Ya

are socialists welcome in this discord server

I am democratic

kek

is anybody here antifa?

@Deleted User

woah woah woah heuh. I never said I was antifa

needs some deep frying

Transgenderism is a cult

the radical feminists are right on that one

Dio

It's not

It's promoted by them

you know capitalism works pretty well

Cancer

I still wonder how many guys from here actually lived and come from ex-communist states

but I guess most of those guys actually came here to see if there really are retarded leftists here

I have a guess you are on the right side of the spectre like i am, right @Shwiani ?

hehe

and i was hopping to find retarded antifa's that would rage and ban me here xd but i guess that's what all we were expecting

i see

and where are all the commies?

i really wanna talk to a leftie and see what's inside that head because clearly i can't understand their thinking

their logic simply doesn't work to me

i am leftie debate me

nationalist social democrat

socialism would imply comitting to the creation of a socialist state of affairs, I don't think it cold come any way other than organically, so probably social democrat

Hello

i imagine it simple like this: we help our own people + we have democracy xd

well I imagine normal social democracy, but I don't embrace the wing that preaches that nation states aren't legitimate, national identity is false, a tool of the bourgeoiuse to subjugate proles etc

what dope said

im not a fascist per say

well i have nothing against normal lefties with simple views like this, i have a problem with those who identify as communists, preach it, those who think there are more than 2 genders, retarded liberals and so

fair

Oh shit man

Yeah

because tbh neither i am pro for a 100% capitalist state

Lol

Most of my friends are those, I mostly don't talk to them

I like how things are now, you can say i'm pretty conservative

well i don't want that, and tbh idk if it could even work

with the transgender thing i've always seen it about being embracing varying shades of masculine vs being feminine across all sexes which I think is nominally fine, men getting their dicks cut off and saying that they are literally women will always confuse me, especially when this is pandered to by the mainstream left

it's not normal, it's just a mental disease without treatment like autism is but people don't want to hear that because the truth hurts

thinking you can choose what gender you want to be

ik

it's even more ridiculous when you consider that gender literally refers to masculinity and feminity, and these activitists are literally campaigning against norms of biological sex

some people are generally going to be more feminine or masculine than others, this is a literal fact in nature that even rightists would agree with

not all men are going to naturally conform to high test way of life

of course that doesn't mean i support soyboy shit

but it just happens

yeah but those are not genders, gender means sex aka male / female and you are born one of those 2

that's categorically incorrect

gender literally refers to behaviour

sex is man vs woman

dick vs vagina

while the behavious of the gender often aligns to sex they are not the same thing

well that might be true, if you reffer to gender as specific characteristics to man / woman

i guess

is that what you wanted to prove or am i wrong?

no that's right I think

still you can't say you have characteristics like an apache helicopter xd

no that's dum, tumblr shit like that should never have become acceptable in left wing discourse

but well there are many crazy peeps around the world i saw once a girl which identified as a cow and went outside to eat grass

kek

i really want to see what the fuck is inside their head and how the fuck they came to that conclusion

that they are a cow

btw what ya guys thinking about that jewsih guy rotschild or how was he called

soros?

nah it's rotschild the bank guy

well I generally am really fucking cautious when it comes to right wing conspiracies, I mean I'm sure theres truth their that his family has done some bad shit and even collaborated with worser things but I know there's going to be varying shades of lies mixed in

some peeps say he is behind the refugee thing and that might be possible but i ask myself why would he do that? maybe hatred towards europeans because of what nazis did to his nation? who knows,

why would he try to destroy europe

espacially given right wing tendencies to joke about jews like the above, like don't get me wrong I find it funny too but when it comes to political discourse don't hate when I doubt lot's of the shit said in this vein

that's a dumb plan tho

would take too much time

tho i don't think they will be atheist, usually when 2 cultures mix a new one is created like the romans with the franks

the religion eh it will be one of the 2 who knows maybe islam

I see it as part of the natural process of (post)-industrialization, with very little conscious action motivating this trend in the west

not really

only liberals in america sponsore it

actually western europe

but refugees often are islamic

and they really believe in that shit

in islam

ye

what religion are you

i know but for me it's still islam

i kinda do that too

I don't think Islam as a whole is bad but from what I've learned wahabbism/salafism is a dangerous cancer that has infected much of Islam

i wouldn't really describe me as an atheist but really i don't give a shit about god