the liberal government today is corrupt as fuck

Wrong.

It's a socialist government

Temer isn't even allowed to run for office!

Military government was keynesian and developmentalist

It was a government owned company that had the corruption that overthrew that lady, forgot her name

And Temer just assumed following the succession line. Anyone literate in politics knows that.

Rousseff

he got in through a coup and most of his cabinet is also under corruption charges

He didn't coup anyone.

oh, I get how you are now

In fact, he was democratically elected because once Rousseff was elected, he was displayed as VP on the election board

one of those dumb Brazilians who blame Rousseff for everything because they're fucking idiots who look at rich media

Wrong.

Still waiting for the dodged question: Again, show me a system that promotes hard work better than capitalism

In fact, I'm one of the few guys who read more than MSM

Temer has single-digit approval ratings

So did Dilma.

no one elected him to be president

at least she was voted in

she was actually less corrupt than most of the other politicians

He was placed as VP by Dilma herself, and he was displayed on election board.

She wasn't.

which was a mistake by her

''she should have been more corrupt'' lmao

never trust a liberal

She placed Lula da Silva as one of her ministers to block him from prison

(he was our president from 2002 to 2010 and a pretty corrupt one btw)

By knowing of his charges and placing him as a minister to intervene on Justice affairs, that's just plain corruption

Or at least a case worthy of impeachment by power abuse

In either way, since we started to talk about Temer, let's talk about his merits too: inflation fell from 9.5% in Rousseff's end to 3% now (and falling quickly)

I don't think he's coming back soon lmao

Jobless rates is finally falling and GDP growth showed an outstanding performance on Q1

@Arash#4421

lmao he left?

He's done it before with me

I love this discord

still no answer to that question, dang

Whats NKVD btw?

Internal police force of Stalin USSR

@Timo))) "show me a system that promotes hard work better than capitalism"?

I wanna try and say tribal society, since if you create double as much you have double as much

A tribal society is not possible anymore and vastly inferior in other aspects

tfw after battling against the local tribe you die of common cold at the advanced age of 22 :anprim:

correct

ehm let's try, market socialism aka coops

So I guess the claim is now that capitalism promotes more hard work than any other viable system

Coops can exist on a capitalist society, really

since you have a part of the profits

I don't think those companies do too well

coops can exist alongside capitalist enterprises, but they aren't capitalist since there is no employee/employer relationship

Group up with 50 workers and make a pact that each one will save a part of its own income to build a cooperative business. Boom, coops inside capitalism

Exactly

Just let the workers do whatever they want with their money

coops do well

the numbers are in their favor iirc

It depends of the coop

Any examples in which countries these companies are very active in?

I remember of a cooperative café which was bankrupt because workers were extremely lazy

northern spain is the goto example

Santander is unironically there

there is a huge coop

but coops have some problems, fx banks aren't very willing to give loans

fx?

Why not? If they're profitable

cant answer, probably something with "who's gonna be responsible"

You could assumingly point to other succesful coop companies right

since there's no owner

whats a fx bank

You can be responsible together

yeah but most companies are small

yeah but I guess banks dont like that

That's the entire idea right, profit together fail together

```whats a fx bank```

I assume they would, more chance to get tour money back than if one guy fails and declared bankrupcy

@ClibtardMario for example, banks

@Timo))) there's probabbly some legality issues with having many people responsible

probably?

Well, then I follow the opinion of the capitalist comrade over here: if it gives profits, why deny loans?

how so?

yes I'm not a bank

Heck, they can actually go to a social credit union instead

I'm neither a lawyer

There are lots out there

Then you can't really make that argument since it seems it wouldn't be an issue

you're right, I don't see why it would be a problem but apparently it is

I'm no bank as I said

I think the issue is that those companies simply don't succeed like the regular companies do

Then it's not a problem

I don't see anything that would dispute it

If you can't go to a bank, you can ask for a loan on social credit unions

@Timo))) I'm having a bit of trouble finding the paper atm, but I am pretty sure coops have much better life-expectancy

At the cost of lower earnings but at a lower failure rate

I'd believe that 100 percent

But for our entire country to run on that system oesnt make sens

well, except for the non-existant owner wages are fine

More sense to allow it in a capitalistic system, which it does

That's why freedom is so good

why doesnt it make sense?

there is litterally more freedom to coops than an enterprise