proletarian democracy>bourgeois democracy

you are literally light years, behnd... so...you know...whatever

😂

nazis and fascists are antisocialist, they deny class struggle, they conserve capitalism and they want the state in all spheres of the life

Ahh, the irony

state serves one class or another

no irony...

Yes, there's a huge irony in your words

Why don't you address the topic of Hitler privatizing the economy and making deals with capitalists all over the globe?

Lenin decreed summary executions for "anti semitism" now theres the irony...the nkvd behind the red army shooting those who ran back from the front and hadnt found a rifle to use from the dead....theres the irony...you shabbos goy fool

Hey, don't ignore my question

Tell me, why did Hitler privatize strategic sectors of the economy while making deals with the bourgeoisie all over the globe?

Isn't he against capitalism?

he made deals with mostly very poor nations and traded commodity for technology to circumvent the international boycott and it was massively successful and a threat to international capital lmfao

The US and the UK are poor nations?

See, now you're just being ridiculous

And why did he privatize the economy?

International capital supporting Henry Ford

^^^^

this

and Ford is only one example

oh....the nsdap was not financed by the uk or usa...it was the most significant economic turn arond ever and the caveat that it was because of rearmament is bs as rearmament actually drained fromt he economy and thus they created the mefo bill

and Ford was a mason

33 degree

oh god

Slack, you're just being a poor caricature of yourself at this point

First do your research, then have an opinion, not the other way around

lol good one

he believes in the operation gladio

because if you don't, you say the most stupid shit like "national socialism/hitler is anticapitalist" which is extremely easy to debunk

gladio B is still active dummy...gotta love them assault trucks

Trucks, like the ones Ford produced for the nazis?

😂

Such anti-capitalism

henry ford supported the national socialist ideal

so what?

😂

and after winning operation paperclip

oh god

This is exactly my point, you dense faggot

National socialism just replaces capitalists with their preferred porkys

your point is that none of mine are salient because of henry ford....uh... "dense faggot"...uh oh triggered ideologue...t oo easy

are there capitalist enterprises? Inheriting the republic? Then they didn't make any socialism

reforms aren't socialism, and privatizing less

Not only are there capitalist corporations and exploitation of the proletariat, there was also massive privatization

and deals with foreign countries

Again, just a more authoritarian form of capitalism

mein kampf and the doctrine of fascism alone are undialectic and we can guess from them what would happen

ridiculous misunderstanding of the most significant economic thurnaround nin recorded history...anti capitalist, anti communist and virtually an autarky for all intent and purpose..

You know the guy who was responsible for nazi propaganda in Spain was a jew, right?

platitudinous comment

Hitler didn't do shit to some strategic jews

anticapitalist or anticommunist, choose one

yeah, thats right...the trajectory of nsdap policty was one of increasing leniency not vice versa as you would promulgate

So not only you don't do anything to capitalists, you also let some very powerful jews stay?

National socialism is a joke

they are not mutually exclusive, blebleh

the hitlerite branch even removed strasserists

True

yes they are

Both Strasser brothers were taken care of

And you know why?

national socialism was the obnly credible existential threat to international capital ever and the most significant economic thurnaround in recorded history lololol

Because they were actually socialists

they don't want to seize the means of production

With some serious nationalistic spooks, but socialists nonetheless

yes, the third position is interesting, that is true

Strasserite here

good on you

communism has been, and still, the threat to capital

threat to international capital> funded by international capital....eh

So, so far we have

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them

And you dare to say it was socialist, holy fuck 😂

there have been countless of operations against them

there are political prisoners too

and blocked countries

total misreading of it....when Schlacht was finally ousted..the war began soon after

not funded by international capital

in a planned economy the workers produce all for themselves

got the list of jewish banking houses here...if you want...not even just Nyabanken

for free?

reading with confirmation bias, is a bitch

"Another elusive case of reported financing of Hitler is that of Fritz Thyssen, the German steel magnate who associated himself with the Nazi movement in the early 20s."

communism is a movement to abolish the present state of things, it wants to advance to socialism, removing the capitalists

"Thyssen's U.S. partners were, of course, prominent members of the Wall Street financial establishment."

making conspiracies about the tenets doesn't work for us

*really makes me think*

it's a sneaky co option of classical english anarchism penned by a 3rd cousin to the rothschild dynasty and for all his works he never named them even once....just vaguaries "the capitalist" lololol

the capitalist is well defined

but you didn't read

"Nazi financier Hendrik Jozef Kouwenhoven, Roland Harriman's fellow-director at Union Banking Corporation in New York, was managing director of the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. (BHS) of Rotterdam. In 1940 the BHS held approximately $2.2 million assets in the Union Banking Corporation, which in turn did most of its business with BHS.20 In the 1930s Kouwenhoven was also a director of the Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G., the steel cartel founded with Wall Street funds in the mid-1920s. Like Baron Schroder, he was a prominent Hitler supporter."

the owners of the means of productions are the bourgeoisie

bankers included

Do you think that the bank of the USSR was private?

it's not a "conspiracy" it's geneaology straight dope...and to be fair..it was you that mentioned the spectre of 33rd degree masonry anfter bleating out the catchword "anti semitism" lolol

@slack#7189 looks like Hitler was financed by US bankers, really makes me think

antisemitism for bakunin

😂

@slack

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/712284090d61.jpg

no, the nsdap got no funding after 33 and i already looked a lot into that.

bloodlines don't determine class

muh above top secret

we're in a class society not a society of castes

ah do you think it's fake?

are you trying to tell me these bankers didn't know in what they were investing?

😂

well, i say...fuck jewish supremacism in the eye...so i guess that would mean to you i hate all jews

Not necessarily

Jews are one thing, zionism is other

there was no investment after 1933...the nsdap went off plantation....hence samuel untermeyers speech

But seriously slack, don't embarass yourself more

zionists and static jewish power were in conflict in the 30s

no, communists aren't for jewish supremacism

Everything you've said so fair has been easily debunked in less than one second

i'm not embarrassing myself, i am highlighting the usual arguments as being fallacious

easily debunked in less than one second....sounds legit

They're not fallacious as there's proof of every one of them

lenin lets it clear that the party doesn't have to be influenced by religion

and Albania was the first socialist atheist state

theres proof for a lot of things in a controlled and rewritten academic appraisal

Not only that, state atheism was spread like crazy

you can search all their texts

whereas...if you go back tot he source documents...then it's a little bit different

Yeah, now it's all a historical revisionism, sure

could never happen

^fallacy

triggered ^

haha then you have to invent a global conspiracy that rewrites all the texts and hides it; even with the opposition of the communists, like a hidden and almighty elite that never gets wrong

wat

even though communists and capitalists are against each other

in your eyes

when going from capitalism to socialism

no, this is reality

different pay grade

it's denying all the evidence, practice and theory

it's your dogmatic version of peer approved reality

it can be seen in real life just with the unions alone; capital is reactive

k

Slack, what I'm doing is going to the original sources and telling you why you're wrong. What you're doing is trying to push a national socialist agenda that's only lies on top of more lies to hide the fact that they were as capitalist as anyone else

we're not metaphyisical

we're materialists, we don't justify oppression and call ourselves socialists because yes

i'm not trying to push anything except nuances that communists cant bear to hear

Look, retard

You're saying nazi germany was socialist and I've given you several examples of why it wasn't

And you keep covering your ears and shouting

it's not me who can't bear nuance and critique

Not only did the workers NOT own the MoP, it acted like the most economically neoliberal country in practice, while being politically authoritarian, given the examples I provided earlier

You're basically defending what you're supposed to be against just to protect your ideology (in a zizekian sense)

socialism is based on the common wheel, simple as that...your co option of it is the imposter

lol well considering i am already a retard and dense faggot, it may well be you that is having some difficulty keeping their jimmies unrusteld lololol

no, i'm not employing any polemical zizekianism...guys a limp biscuit

lets mention the holocaust and my diverse neighbours every single fkng interview

nsdap circumvented the international jewish boycott by making trade deals exchanging commodities for technological infrastructure....internastional capital hated it

"lol well considering i am already a retard and dense faggot, it may well be you that is having some difficulty keeping their jimmies unrusteld lololol"

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/guerin/1938/10/fascism.htm

That's a 5yo-tier response, but okay

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Socialism isn't based on "the common wheel", it's far form being simple

"you're the imposter" isn't an argument

socialism doesn't equal absolute egalitarianism

in socialism it's "to each according to his contribution"

And I'm not saying you're employing any political zizekianism, you need to improve your reading comprehension

people have personal property, but the means of production are collectively owned

neither is "you're a five year old dense faggot retard" lmfao. so triggered its unreal...this is why people flee the far left

That's not an argument either

"this is why people flee the far left" we don't have to respect fascists and nazis

Your messages are 50% propaganda, 40% insults and variations of "triggered" and 10% something that looks like an argument but isn't

they would like to see us dead

or hyper exploited

I haven't mentioned the holocaust a single time, btw

I've just discussed about the economic nature of nazi germany

And that's what hurts you the most, that I'm actually debunking it economically instead of saying "muh 6 gorillion"

You're completely clueless when it comes to how germany truly functioned, that's why you ignore every claim I made or say that it's "fake news"

It's hard to argue when all you can do is repeat what nazi propaganda has told you by heart

nah, i was talking about zizek, obviously.. it's not all about you...murican communists, man. smdh

I'm not american 😂

me neither

I see your reading comprehension is still shit, btw

yeah...i'm "completely clueless" as to how germany functioned...omg...tell me i am wrong about the mefo bills and schlacht...priove it to me, all knowing one

I mean, you haven't adressed any of my economic points not a single time and resorted to "jewish plots" and such

oh... an idland monkey... 10 4 copy that

you havent raised any...you just throw insults

The only way you can say nazi germany is socialist is completely twisting the definition of socialism until it fits your worldview, just like nazis did

Yeah, I only throw insults, whatever man

unless you define socialism as the common wheel and a co opted term....lololol

we already debunked all that before

You know what, it's good that you think that nazi germany was socialist, at least you'll bring some laughs to every discord you visit

and still, removing only usury isn't removing capitalism

appeal to the crowd and no you havent debunked jack

Which it didn't @Blebleh

the only socialist part of germany was the pensions and shit from workers, hitler still advocated for private corperations to run it.

capitalism is usury lmao

Then you've just debunked yourself, retard

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them

really not...now send me some tulips from amsterdam

fascism is the highest form of capitalism

is it fuck lol

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them
6. Funded by US bankers

Oh yes, this can't be more socialist!

excpet these points are your own equivocations ...i suspect you expect them to just be taken on your say so, for some reason

Each one of them is easily proven, and I've proven several before in this discussion

prove 6

what makes germany socialist is a better question

define 5

elucidate on point 3 r3 to support its contention

Another elusive case of reported financing of Hitler is that of Fritz Thyssen, the German steel magnate who associated himself with the Nazi movement in the early 20s. Thyssen's U.S. partners were, of course, prominent members of the Wall Street financial establishment. Nazi financier Hendrik Jozef Kouwenhoven, Roland Harriman's fellow-director at Union Banking Corporation in New York, was managing director of the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. (BHS) of Rotterdam. In 1940 the BHS held approximately $2.2 million assets in the Union Banking Corporation, which in turn did most of its business with BHS.20 In the 1930s Kouwenhoven was also a director of the Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G., the steel cartel founded with Wall Street funds in the mid-1920s. Like Baron Schroder, he was a prominent Hitler supporter.

that's 6

uh...so where does the funding after 33 get proven

The press director in Spain was jewish

that's 5

ig farben was a project..it wasnt the funding of the nsdap

Hitler made deals with british and american capitalists, such as henry ford

that's 4

point 5 not suitably elucidated....the werhmacht and nsdap high command had many jews within it

hebnry ford was a supporter of natsoc.... youll need more than one example to bolster your theory

see, its all a bit flimsy when you are taken to task

The strasser brothers were persecuted, one of them killed in the night of the long knives

that's 3

now let me find the sources for privatization in nazi germany

that doesnt qualify that "all real national socialists were killed"

And it's already very obvious that it was a capitalist mode of production

how about you just continue trying to prove the points you think you just did and didnt

its very obvious that it was a po;pulist ethnostate that turned endemic starvation and mass suicide to a workers paradise within 5 years

I didn't say that "all real national socialist were killed", but the ones who could actually make the party actually socialist, because Hitler knew that it wouldn't be good for their commercial relationships with capitalist countries and for germany itself, given the ties he had to german magnates

"a worker's paradise", yeah, sure

with consequential exponentially increasing birth rates which have been in decline ever since 1946 and successive leftist govts and now the demographic replacement of europeans is cited to be necessary due to decling birth rates lololol

While making deals with german porkys and every worker being exploited as it happened in every other capitalist country

yes, the social provisions made for workers have been copied across the world

and not only that, with a strong authoritarian control over them

first introduced in natsoc germany

See, now you're just rewriting history

thats an issue i agree is fraught with issues

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them
6. Funded by US bankers

Again, this stands proven

except 2, because I still have to look for the sources

but it takes less than 5 minutes to do so

nope...i am just stating facts and because they are unpalatable to your own ideological frames of reference you cant hear them...even though they are simply objective facts

Yeah, let's argue about the discussion itself now

The coward's only escape

1. Capitalist society and mode of production
2. Massive privatization
3. Persecution of actual national socialists
4. Deals with capitalists all around the world (from very powerful and capitalist countries)
5. Many powerful jews still alive because Hitler was interested in them
6. Funded by US bankers

you're an idiot. smdh

You can't prove this wrong, so you stay debunked

"i'm an anti capitalist but i don't want to consider modes of strategy that were successful in negating capitalist hegemony...coz fromt he nasty people"

boo hoo

fucking idiot pal

"negating capitalist hegemony"

You can't be this retarded

You're just replacing a capitalist hegemony with another

i asked you to prove your points... you were very limp wrsioted and offered flimsy mimsies

Not an argument, mate