if you look at who started it, it was always them

@Ulstèr-Scotch If Ireland leaves UK rule, could North and South remain independent nations for the sake of economy and stability?

Or is the UK a necessary evil for the moment?

>Independent Northern Ireland

What kind of bloody madman are you

the IRA went too far in their responses to violence from Unionists and the British state, but the Unionists are who started it

An independent Northern Ireland in entirety could not work, I do believe however a federal ireland could

Where the North self governs, but is under the coat of the Republic

Giving Ulster-Scots their right to self govern might just calm them down

That'd be a good solution, they're already autonomous within the UK

unless home rule was restored

They are indeed

does self-govern also mean self-funded?

No

so the South would subsidize the North?

Northern Ireland now self-governs, but the UK funds us

The South in theory would subsidize the North

alright

just making sure

But the North would give money to the south

northern ireland needs to be destroyed in a nuclear holocaust

^

Thats what I believe

top wew

Possibly reducing the North to Isle of Man type status then slowly giving the reins over to the Republic could be good aswell, maybe

so Ireland can be unified without the burden of the cancerous northen irish

Cheers mate, true socialist revolutionary

wtf I love commies now

can you guys always be this spicy

If I'm cancerous then why don't you come over here and fight us

If you hate us that much

b/c no oil

As far as I know

lmao

I just got back from a long march up a mountain

give me a week and I'll march to Ireland

I'll get finn McCool to built youa bridge

Come out ye Black and Tans!

Don't do it he'll carbomb you

Sneaky ulstermen

@Deleted User I've half memorized that song

lol

Sang it around english medieval larpers

Come out ye black and tans come out and fight me like a man

Show your wife how you won medals own in flanders

god dangit you type faster than me

Tell her how the IRA made you run like hell away from the green and lovely lanes of killeshandra

The IRA in the 1920s were not socialist btw

Yeah

mmm, parts of it were

The IRA and their variants 1969-onwards are

wasn't till later that they turned marxist

doesn't matter baby

we still support them

Connolly was very socialist

No he was not

Hahahaha

umm, yes he fucking was

"As a Socialist I am prepared to do all one man can do to achieve for our motherland her rightful heritage – independence; but if you ask me to abate one jot or tittle of the claims of social justice, in order to conciliate the privileged classes, then I must decline."

He was very authoritarian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Socialist_Republican_Party

In his later years, not as socialist

really makes you think

>founded by james conolly

He fought along side non-socialists in the Easter Rising though

The Socialist who would destroy, root and branch, the whole brutally materialistic system of civilisation, which like the English language we have adopted as our own, is, I hold, a far more deadly foe to English rule and tutelage, than the superficial thinker who imagines it possible to reconcile Irish freedom with those insidious but disastrous forms of economic subjection – landlord tyranny, capitalist fraud and unclean usury; baneful fruits of the Norman Conquest, the unholy trinity, of which Strongbow and Diarmuid MacMurchadha – Norman thief and Irish traitor – were the fitting precursors and apostles.

If you remove the English army to-morrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organisation of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain.

there is absolutely no fucking doubt he was a socialist

Look at Fianna Fáil

The word socialist has been used very liberally before the cold war

yes, not all of the IRA was socialist, but Connolly was definitely a socialist

think of NatSoc and Ba'athist "Arab Socialism"

Easter Rising he didn't fight for a socialist cause

Ba'athism was during the Cold War

sects of Ba'athism were socialist, Natsoc was only in name though

Founded before it

It was more a "get the fuck out, UK" cause

gained power after it though

and their ideology substantially changed

anyways, it doesn't matter, scientific socialists have supported national liberation since Marx and beyond

This irish party never gained power

what matter does this make

I meant Ba'athism

i know

you only have to read up on Marx on the question of Irish liberation

well, which branch of Ba'athism matters, I guess

Look up Patrick Pearse

Historical context gives it the modern significance and nuance.

The whole thring was called Arab Socialism by its members and outsiders

Connolly fought along side Patrick

Just as Conolly called his party Socialist

I'm not saying he wasnt a socialist

but im saying name doesnt necessarily matter

yes, they fought together, but Connolly was obviously a socialist in what he wrote and what he supported

you can fight together for a cause and not agree with everything your bedfellows support

When fighting in the Easter rising he didn't fight for a socialist cause

I thought you meant what he fought for, I apologise

he was a republican and a socialist

he fought for an independent Irish Republic, but he wanted it to be socialist as well

similar to other anti-colonial projects, you have a lot of people and groups working together who normally wouldn't

I think the Kuomintang and the Chinese Communist Party also worked together for a bit