yeah

If everyone is special noone is

"muh special snowflake"

What

who cares about who is special

that is the most irrelevant thing here

I was talking about the title of workers

non specialty is the point

If everyone is a worker then it makes sense to call them the people because the work is already implied

Just semantics stuff

nobody is prioritized over another

Flair

@Horse Shmeat But how are you able to tell whether or not a person is in need of food, and how will you be able to get it to him? What if he lives in a very rural area where there are few roads.

you tell they need food cause they boutta fucking die

so you're saying food isn't produced in that area?

wtf

If a man works twice as hard as another man working in the same factory does the harder worker make more luxury vouchers?

no

it's based on hours

So fixed wage?

No merit?

the more able bodied produce for those who can't produce as much

@Stoichia21 Have you tried producing food in a desert, or in a tundra? Not very easy.

And the people who produce more are not recognized for their service?

Yeah

they do good work

but they are still equal

That's pretty fucked

actually as far as I'm aware the amount of labour vouchers you get is based on how much you work and how hard you work

What's stopping the able from slacking then

saying good job doesn't make you an asshole

I never heard anyone say you get it based on hours

uhhh

starving

And getting the same amount of vouchers doing barely anything

Oh okay so disabled people starve?

@Stoichia21 people debate it differently

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Umm, disabled people have their needs to survive met

and don't die

@Stoichia21 Oy vey stop trying to model a meritocracy!

if he wants a teddy bear he uses vouchers

Equal wages!

Slave away for me

everybody works

@Horse Shmeat >Yhea, you may be producing more than any other farm in the commune, producing more than triple the other ones, but because the other ones are struggling with pests and disease, they are still going to be treated the same way as you.

who are you slaving for

You just said the slacker starves

Or were you replying to Danger

it's hard to say how many labour vouchers someone gets because there are many factors that come into the decision

no, I said the slacker has his fucking needs met

how many god damn times do I have to say it

So the slacker can earn as many luxury vouchers as the hard worker?

no

if you don't work you get nothing

In Harry's model

sry no

if you don't work you get basic needs

yeah

@Stoichia21 That is the main issue when it comes to debating with subjects like this, there are so many factors that you cannot even come to a reasonable conclusion.

if you work you get more

What commie guy is saying

So what's encouraging anyone to work?

NOT STARVING

If nobody works

no food

BUT YOU GET FOOD REGARDLESS

NOT IF NOBODY IS MAKING SHIT

well tbf automation comes in a lot

WELFARE STATE

You need factories to run farms?

Fuck no

>automation

So your system is a highly futuristic projection?

it accounts for the future

because automation is inevitable

@Horse Shmeat That is how it would collapse in the end, because nobody would work if they got food regardless if they even did anything, resulting in mass starvations, and a lack of resources.

no it's just making people work less to focus on other stuff like leisure, culture or science

What if humanity had to go Dune because of AI or something? What would you do without machines?

Automation is bote inevitable and needed

both sry

So the machines do everything and you sit on your ass. Sounds like the end of humanity to me honestly

Nobody gets anything if people don't work

Johannes it would happen in capitalist society too

Of course

But, if you get food regardless of anything, what stops you from just putting your robots on auto work mode and getting free food and water?

so then why are you blaming communism

Because both systems want it

It's not that nobody does anything. People need to make the machines in the first place.

No we're talking about the future

Not everything can be automated anyways

When machines can make themselves

And maintain themselves

Gay space luxury communism

@Stoichia21 >Not everything can be automated

That is doubtful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TZ5FD6i-jI

@Horse Shmeat If everything is going to be automated, then what happens when humans become over populated, and cannot work because of automation?

then they chill out and focus on art and hobbies

and humans just find new space