Wait, do you think that all buyers and sellers always operate at equilibrium, or not at all?

And about being able to control the market through ur wallet

Voluntary starvation. You read it here folks.

^

@Apophis "The Ministry of the Meat and Dairy Industry of the Tadjik SSR, in the quest for high profits for its enterprises in 1970 and 1971, reduced the production of inexpensive products that were in stable demand among the population and unjustifiably increased the production of more expensive products. As a result, the enterprises of this Ministry obtained millions of rubles of profit in excess of the plan".

(S. Starostin & G. Emdin: "The Five Year Plan and the Soviet Way of Life", in: "Planovoe khoziaistvo" (Planned Economy), No. 6, 1972, in: "Problems of Economics", Volume 15, No. 10; February 1973; p. 95-6).

On the market

The employer isn't "offering" shit. The employer has hoarded a large amount of productive capital, and uses the state to enforce that hoarding. He will let you rent it back per hour, at a rate equal to the difference between your productivity and your wage

In your ideology, those who don't work and contribute should still recieve capital. In capitalism, one must contribute to society, be that through owning a business that can only remain if the consumers are okay with the product and/or price, through working for such a business, or to front financial risk for such a business with a voluntarily agreed return.

@Apophis What are you talking about typically in marxist society there is little to no unemployment?

Compare that to the armies of unemployed in capitalist ones

"The Ministry of the Meat and Dairy Industry of the Tadjik SSR, in the quest for high profits for its enterprises in 1970 and 1971, reduced the production of inexpensive products that were in stable demand among the population and unjustifiably increased the production of more expensive products. As a result, the enterprises of this Ministry obtained millions of rubles of profit in excess of the plan".

(S. Starostin & G. Emdin: "The Five Year Plan and the Soviet Way of Life", in: "Planovoe khoziaistvo" (Planned Economy), No. 6, 1972, in: "Problems of Economics", Volume 15, No. 10; February 1973; p. 95-6).

Read

I am done with ancaps bye

This is normal though in Austrian economics. iirc

Because you kill people who dare not do exactly as your government demands. There's no unemployed because they're in labor camps or dead.

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@Apophis That is wut I thought u would say, btw that is incorrect

He's hyperbolic, but there's a seed of truth to it

Albania unemployment, 1984 (socialism) 3%, 2015 (capitalism), 19%

O.O

Non-contributors go to Gulag.

@Deleted User Everyone contirbutes

people want to work

everyone does

But what if they don't?

There's always one smart arse.

And in the argument of The Ministry of the Meat and Dairy Industry of the Tadjik SSR, that's not capitalism's fault. The existence of a state violates capitalism because taxes, lobbying and regulation make monopolies.

People are unemployed because capitalists need workers to fight and compete amongst each other @Deleted User they do tho

V O L U N T A R Y S T A R V A T I O N

I am well aware of the function of structural unemployment

@Apophis It is a market, and the quote talks about individual enterpries and it makes the case for why it happened. It happened from the profit motive

It had nothing to do with government regulation in fact in happened because of the abscense of it.

No. If there were no better alternatives, that very much is due to state regulation causing monopolies

Regardless of whether heirarchy wears a corporate or government mask, its still shit

@Apophis also, how did you get here?

I was invited by someone I've never met

Aren't you an ancap?

yeah

Idk why I was invited

I take it I'm gonna get b&?

No.

I mean, probably. The place is full of tankies, y'know

You will only get banned if you spam or post random gore/CP.

Well.

He *is* an ancap

You... know how they are

@Deleted User are there any leaders

No.

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and say I'm done "debating", or whatever that was. At least for now. I guess if anyone has questions to ask an ancap, I'm fine with answering

Thanks for your free labour.

Sure, consider it voluntary charity

Volunteer uprising when?

kek

@Deleted User so, is this place tankie, or...?

Hard to say. It is very diverse. I would say it is pretty sympathetic to tankies. But anything goes.

Hmmm

Is there some way to tell all the tankies to fuck themselves at once?

I like your tune. What's so bad with tankies?

this is why left unity is a shot in the dark

Then let's illuminate.

im mlm and i consider anarchists comrades

@Deleted User anarchists the leades of idealism

but i expect them to do the same

Ew

Anarchism is a mental illness.

It is

The sad thing is, anarchists have been BTFO'd for like the last 150 years by marx and lenin but they keep on going

anarchism is a big sect still

Because some are pseudo-proletarian supporters, anarchists are nothing but petite-bourgouise scum.

I really enjoy Marx and Lenin, but I really like my liberties.

Such as?

Freedom for who and to do what?

That is some lenin for you

>muh liberties
I also like masturbating in public. Wait...

Eh,

Not that far.

we need a lenin to have control over the left wing parties

>Not mastrubating in public

remember when the anarchists revolted, but lenin said that we need to wait for the big push and they stopped

we need that commanding

Anarchists can only rebel in the conditions of chaos MLs creat for them 😛

Take for example Ukraine and Spain, MLs were fighting before them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT0wM9Czc6g

^ ❤

what do you mean in spain?

@petit bourgeois With the CNT-FAI the anarchists rose only out of a civil war they did not create

hm

Property destruction is the most retarded form of activism. Property is insured and can be replaced. What the bourg hate is exposing the truth. I bet they even like anarchists as an example of what to expect from the left when they get their way.

Exactly, anarchists are petite-bourgouise who committ terrorist acts

but anarchists are class conscious

That turns workers away from your movement, breaking windows doesn't build a movement

@petit bourgeois Even that is disputable they use terms like "Boss" instead of "capitalist"

Anarchism is a vehicle of opportunism and an ugly step son of leftist politics.

anarchists have a deep rooted problem with neo-liberalism

I challenge every anarchist to vc me, (not saying I am a special snowflake any real leninists could reck them) and they always decline because their flimsy ideas about how to abolish communism fall apart.

i was ancom for like a year in 2015

i was 15 then

Sad

You're right. There is no plan. The answer is magic, dumbie. Superstition.

@petit bourgeois Hopefully you will not be a maoist in the future.