Yes, and one can choose not to contribute through work and face the consequence of starving. The employer merely offers an alternative

VOLUNTARILY

Wait, do you think that all buyers and sellers always operate at equilibrium, or not at all?

And about being able to control the market through ur wallet

Voluntary starvation. You read it here folks.

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@Apophis "The Ministry of the Meat and Dairy Industry of the Tadjik SSR, in the quest for high profits for its enterprises in 1970 and 1971, reduced the production of inexpensive products that were in stable demand among the population and unjustifiably increased the production of more expensive products. As a result, the enterprises of this Ministry obtained millions of rubles of profit in excess of the plan".

(S. Starostin & G. Emdin: "The Five Year Plan and the Soviet Way of Life", in: "Planovoe khoziaistvo" (Planned Economy), No. 6, 1972, in: "Problems of Economics", Volume 15, No. 10; February 1973; p. 95-6).

On the market

The employer isn't "offering" shit. The employer has hoarded a large amount of productive capital, and uses the state to enforce that hoarding. He will let you rent it back per hour, at a rate equal to the difference between your productivity and your wage

In your ideology, those who don't work and contribute should still recieve capital. In capitalism, one must contribute to society, be that through owning a business that can only remain if the consumers are okay with the product and/or price, through working for such a business, or to front financial risk for such a business with a voluntarily agreed return.

@Apophis What are you talking about typically in marxist society there is little to no unemployment?

Compare that to the armies of unemployed in capitalist ones

"The Ministry of the Meat and Dairy Industry of the Tadjik SSR, in the quest for high profits for its enterprises in 1970 and 1971, reduced the production of inexpensive products that were in stable demand among the population and unjustifiably increased the production of more expensive products. As a result, the enterprises of this Ministry obtained millions of rubles of profit in excess of the plan".

(S. Starostin & G. Emdin: "The Five Year Plan and the Soviet Way of Life", in: "Planovoe khoziaistvo" (Planned Economy), No. 6, 1972, in: "Problems of Economics", Volume 15, No. 10; February 1973; p. 95-6).

Read

I am done with ancaps bye

This is normal though in Austrian economics. iirc

Because you kill people who dare not do exactly as your government demands. There's no unemployed because they're in labor camps or dead.

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@Apophis That is wut I thought u would say, btw that is incorrect

He's hyperbolic, but there's a seed of truth to it

Albania unemployment, 1984 (socialism) 3%, 2015 (capitalism), 19%

O.O

Non-contributors go to Gulag.

@Deleted User Everyone contirbutes

people want to work

everyone does

But what if they don't?

There's always one smart arse.

And in the argument of The Ministry of the Meat and Dairy Industry of the Tadjik SSR, that's not capitalism's fault. The existence of a state violates capitalism because taxes, lobbying and regulation make monopolies.

People are unemployed because capitalists need workers to fight and compete amongst each other @Deleted User they do tho

V O L U N T A R Y S T A R V A T I O N

I am well aware of the function of structural unemployment

@Apophis It is a market, and the quote talks about individual enterpries and it makes the case for why it happened. It happened from the profit motive

It had nothing to do with government regulation in fact in happened because of the abscense of it.

No. If there were no better alternatives, that very much is due to state regulation causing monopolies

Regardless of whether heirarchy wears a corporate or government mask, its still shit

@Apophis also, how did you get here?

I was invited by someone I've never met

Aren't you an ancap?

yeah

Idk why I was invited