All you have to do is have a proper burial

Then you're set

Well anyway, athiesm is a wall. Once you've crossed over into Faith, you'll enjoy the Love

Faith is the ultimate in epistemological optimism.

Not really

My life is great

i have this feeling they are both about equal in value like most ideas in concept, its application you gotta worry about

I was Jewish before

I know what this "love" is

Trust me

It's not that greay

Great*

christianity in application on a all encompassing level fucks human advancement pretty hard

So the Jewish concept of God has made you who you are

Not really

? wasn't it a part of your past?

*isn't

Faith is the belief that direct knowledge of the Absolute is possible. It is the ultimate in epistemological optimism.

I explored Judaism when I was depressed as a kid

I was devout for 2 years

Talked to "god"

To cope

>my experience is your experience

Then when my life regained track

God became useless

And I realized how useless he was

Religion is a coping method

For you.

Well, I'm glad you got your life back on track

you are using it for your optimism you just admited that even a coping mechanism for you chopin

All by yourself

I'm saying this love is useless

"Love"

With no help from God at all

It's psychological

It's useless now

Is optimism a coping mechanism?

I had no help from god

My mind created a hod

Oh really

God*

What created your mind

Um

My parents

when you need religious faith to have the optimism, the religious faith is the coping mechanism to maintain optimism

What kind of bullshit question is that

I didn't say I need faith for optimism. I said it is the ultimate.

the fact that you cant maintain optimism on your own terms is a sign of your weakness

^

Your parents created the cells necessary for a brain, but what is your mind that arose from that?

Are you an idiot?

No, are you?

The brain is created by the parents

The mind is apart of what the brain provides

Okay, and the mind chose to talk to God

No God puts a mind in your head

Sure

Why

Humans used god to explain things

It's called the god of the gaps

And the Christian God was not the first one

God used humans to use God to explain things.

Jeff, just because you can operate a keyboard doesn't mean you should.

What do you base that statement on?

That's right

Just an assumption

The Design thinks about itself using us

How do you know this

Assumption?

I can assume things too

Your mind is a first-person ontological perspective, but it experiences God because the Design has come up with the experience of God

I can assume scientology

We're made in his image

His image

Oh you are?

How do you know?

I arrived at it through logic

Explain the logic

Without any assumptions

I want 0 assumptions

Explain.

Direct knowledge from God is not an assuption, it's 100% fact. It's a superfact even, greater than all other possible knowings. <:troll_king:312064227542040576>

You can't start logic without assumptions.

I think Jeff is just trollijg

Let's take the number 12 for example.

Does it exist?

Let's assume that it does.

Only our poor reason cannot comprehend the direct Absolute. Reason is child's play.

Yes it exists as an idea

but we are the sons of god and the kingdom of god is with in us and the father the sun and the holy spirit is with in us, so does that mean god is just us and that the idea of god is a internal thing we use to help us explain our humanity and its being stated in plain as fuck metaphorical language and anyone that doesnt notice it might as well be from the fucking dark ages

Okay, what is the number 12?

🤔

An idea to describe an amount

I say it exists more than an idea.

When it's 12 o clock, it's literally actually 12 o clock, in the external world.

Time is a social construct

We've been through this

You can't just say something isn't real just because it's constructed.

So okay, we have the number 12. It's real. It exists. We use it to attach meaning to quantities, time, and to operate within the framework of reality.

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