Alright

my point was that I agree with you but the material structure of the brain doesn't provide us with anything unless we give it value or meaning

Guess that religious symbol!

Correct. Which is why we have to be conscious of self-delusions.

And not pretend something has more weight than it does.

Like your metaphysics.

Show me why it is delusional

Because it does not reflect objective, material reality, which is the explanation of all things. Otherwise, at best you believe in a redundancy, at worst a delusion.

Have you every had a dream...

Besides insane ramblings, most of the "fantasy" has direct influence on the material world that you value so much

That you could... You could do anything...

that you value as objective

And he touched you so much...

Fantastical archetypes have reasons for existing

It is objective -> subjective -> objective. But material explanation is primary.

why is material explanation primary?

The battle of the Intellectuals

everyone step back

It is the non-reducible explanation. The ideal can be reduced to the material explanation, but not the other way around.

At least, not objectively.

It can be reduced to a material explanation, for simplicity, but this is not desirable

>not desirable

also, there can be several subjective derivatives of the same objective truth

like that of virtue, for example

there are many moralities that exemplify that objective truth

Why is simplicity desirable?

~~*Non-believers will easily refuse belief by their own precious sciences, which came from the believer. Which without understanding any value or the point in faith, I suppose it is easy to do so. Throwing one's hands up and saying that **faith** is unprovable. They are set and done.*~~

The objective truth is that all morality is rooted in the material. A virtue does not exist objectively, but is reflected in the subjective according the biology we have in common.

The desirability has little bearing on the objective truth.

I completely disagree that all morality is rooted in the material. Morality directs human affairs away from material wants and guides towards an improvement in being. This would be a metaphysical attribute of morality.

Okay so you just disagree.

You made assertions and I argued against them.

The metaphysical mind is not essential. The material is essential. The subject comes and goes. Therefore one is dependant on the other. I don't know how else to put it more clearly. Anyway, thanks for the chat.

I agree that ideals are more appealing than not, but it does not mean that mythology can be primary to existance.

I think I understand your point

Glad we could talk

Hello, Cultarist Marxists.

I am Anders Breivik

communism is gay

hahaha

communism is some dumb kike shit

🤣

@EXTREME RESPECTER OF WOMAN#5252 Welcome generic person from 4 pol numbrt 9273

@Deleted User Oh, I remember now. You're the 'capitalism is the best possible system' guy.

@Deleted User You must be thinking of the wrong person, or you are thinking about half a year back, either way, I was not on this server or "the other one" back then.

So now it's 'the state is the best thing to happen to society' guy?

Hmm?

Goddamit, what is your ideology.

I guess you are not too sure.

That's okay.

Oh no, I am sure, I just like watching you squirm.

I'm squirming?

Let's play: Guess my ideology, which may or may not be true.

Ha.

You're so masterful.

I'm just bored, don't flatter yourself.

You sound peeved for someone who is bored.

You got me. Score 1 for Dangerlurking.

No, score gazillion.

How will I ever recover.

Now what has you so peeved?

That's a personal question.

@Deleted User What's got you down

@Deleted User Personal questions are the best questions.

It's all a front. I have no strong political viewpoints. No one does.

I guarantee you I do

Righto.

I'm sure you *feel* strongly, but it's just spooky idealism. That's the sad part. You believe that spectres in your mind are worthy of self-sacrifice. Good goy. Die for you beliefs.

Good lord, someone save me from my cold materialism. I took too many blackpills.

I genuinely feel bad.

I wish I could go back.

This is reactionism talking.

I've been brainwashed my the cult of Marxism.

Help.

Or is it just me? Was I always going to be like this?

It's pointless.

Autism was a mistake.

Push forward. Try not to KYS.

Materialism is unnatural. Don't do it.

I wasn't ready. Humanity isn't ready.

https://us.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/62673_Chapter_2.pdf

*Religion was created as a means for humans to cope with their own mortality. Supporting this, arguments in favor of life after death, and simply being religious, reduce the effects of mortality salience on worldview defense. Thoughts of death have also been found to increase religious beliefs. At an implicit, subconscious level, this is the case even for people who claim to be nonreligious.*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory

*The terror of absolute annihilation creates such a profound – albeit subconscious – anxiety in people that they spend their lives attempting to make sense of it. On large scales, societies build symbols: laws, religious meaning systems, cultures, and belief systems to explain the significance of life, define what makes certain characteristics, skills, and talents extraordinary, reward others whom they find exemplify certain attributes, and punish or kill others who do not adhere to their cultural worldview. On an individual level, self-esteem provides a buffer against death-related anxiety.*

*It has been suggested that culture provides meaning, organization, and a coherent world view that diminishes the psychological terror caused by the knowledge of eventual death.*

If religion is a way to cope with the fear of death why would they create the idea of hell, which is worse than death?

To keep you from leaving the religion.

Yes but why

That creates more terror

If religion is just to make life easy why add the horrible stuff

Chance of salvation vs no chance of salvation. It reinforces the society to conform to the religion, thus increasing the overall self-esteem and feelings of invulnerability.

The Book of Revelations gives little comfort

Apocolyps and few will make it to heaven

It's acts like a herding dog.